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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by bloppe »

usrusr wrote: post #95
markus92 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one million requirement is where you start paying them the 50cts per install, right?

An interesting perspective, makes it surprisingly fair play and totally crippling to third parties at the same time. I guess the outcome will be that outside some completely irrelevant oddballs there will just be one or two entities like Epic serving the intersection of non-casual gamers and people who consider the iPhone a gaming platform and they won't pull much market away from Apple, but serve as a limiter to how…

> surprisingly fair play

And they'll be fairly fined for it

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by Loveaway »

rsynnott wrote: post #123
nottorp wrote: post #72

As an Apple customer in the EU, I'm staying on iOS 17.3 until they rewrite 17.4 4-5 times based on how many times they get fined again for malicious compliance.

Realistically, if Apple is determined to fight this, it may drag on for years.

Just switch to Android, why take this kind of user hostility from Apple?

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

Someone wrote: post #255
EMIRELADERO wrote: post #148

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> That's probably to prevent the most obvious workaround of creating a new shell company for every million users. Which would be all around moot because the fee itself is illegal.

> Which would be all around moot because the fee itself is illegal I haven’t seen any statement in any jurisdiction by lawmakers or judges that supports that claim. It also would, to me, feel inconsistent with the rulings I read about: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple#Decision : “Rogers found in favor of Apple on nine of ten counts brought up against them in the case, including Epic's charges relat…

You missed that this is the DMA we're talking about. All those cases are either out of its jurisdiction or predate the Act's passage.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by zarzavat »

ggreer wrote: post #302
makeitdouble wrote: post #256

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They're not general purpose computers, even if architecturally they could be. Apple amply touted the iPhone's capacities ("there's an app for that") and smartphones are defacto a core component of our lives. The Switch isn't.

What applications are necessary to call it a general purpose computer? A web browser? A self-hosted development environment? I don't think there's a bright line between what applications a Playstation or Xbox has versus what a phone has. And it's not like the iPhone is the only phone you can get. If Apple is restricting such a core component of our lives, you can simply buy non-Apple products.

Games consoles are designed, marketed and used to play games and for similar entertainment purposes.

You are not going to do your online banking on an Xbox, or write a letter on a PlayStation, even if the hardware is theoretically capable of that, it’s just not what it’s for.

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Post by nindalf »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #265
fngjdflmdflg wrote: post #252

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What regulations are you referring to wrt AT&T? Are you saying that UNIX and C were a result of regulations? If so do you have a source?

The very short is, that AT&T between 1974 and 1982, due to the telephony monopoly rulings, wasn't allowed to sell software. Thus they gave their research results to universities, like Berkely.

How different is that from tech giants using their monopoly profits to develop software that they give away for free? You say AT&T gave away some software to universities. Similarly Google gives away Go (among many other projects) as FOSS for anyone to use. If Google didn't have to worry about money, they might not develop these things to give away for free.

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Post by temac »

alwayslikethis wrote: post #211
bsaul wrote: post #109

i don't understand how the EU didn't put up a very simple rule : users owns their phones and should be able to install any software they want without apple putting artificial restrictions or gateways exclusivity. Period. That should remove all the possibilities of apple trying to find the loopholes with shit measures such as those "options".

Or alternatively, that the manufacturer shall have no special privileges when it comes to software. The OS APIs needs to be public and if Apple can do something, someone else unauthorized should be able to do it also. This would also apply the play store privileges on Android, but that is a much less egregious violation than what Apple does.

Google Play store has some exclusive privileges?

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Post by pavon »

Someone wrote: post #255
EMIRELADERO wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's probably to prevent the most obvious workaround of creating a new shell company for every million users. Which would be all around moot because the fee itself is illegal.

> Which would be all around moot because the fee itself is illegal I haven’t seen any statement in any jurisdiction by lawmakers or judges that supports that claim. It also would, to me, feel inconsistent with the rulings I read about: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple#Decision : “Rogers found in favor of Apple on nine of ten counts brought up against them in the case, including Epic's charges relat…

The Epic ruling is in the US and are irrelevant to EU regulations. Dutch regulators have rejected Apple's response to the dating app ruling, and that matter is currently in the courts[1]. Lastly, these latest changes are in response to a new law, the Digital Markets Act.

[1] https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/01/apple_app_rules_nethe...

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

alwayslikethis wrote: post #211
bsaul wrote: post #109

i don't understand how the EU didn't put up a very simple rule : users owns their phones and should be able to install any software they want without apple putting artificial restrictions or gateways exclusivity. Period. That should remove all the possibilities of apple trying to find the loopholes with shit measures such as those "options".

Or alternatively, that the manufacturer shall have no special privileges when it comes to software. The OS APIs needs to be public and if Apple can do something, someone else unauthorized should be able to do it also. This would also apply the play store privileges on Android, but that is a much less egregious violation than what Apple does.

They already did that.

Article 6(7):

> The gatekeeper shall allow business users and alternative providers of services provided together with, or in support of, core platform services, free of charge, effective interoperability with, and access for the purposes of interoperability to, the same operating system, hardware or software features, regardless of whether those features are part of the operating system, as are available to, or used by, that gatekeeper when providing such services.

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Post by highwaylights »

youngtaff wrote: post #285
loceng wrote: post #279

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What’s the woke culture mind virus?

Why would you ask that? Don't you realise the extra work @dang has to do when you trigger these posters?

Have a heart and spare a thought the guy works hard.

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Post by orra »

EMIRELADERO wrote: post #105

Apple is still non-compliant with the requirements of the DMA, especially in regards to Article 6(7), which provides: "The gatekeeper shall allow business users and alternative providers of services provided together with, or in support of, core platform services, free of charge, effective interoperability with, and access for the purposes of interoperability to, the same operating system, hardware or software featur…

Wow, I can't believe how blatant their non-compliance is. That'll be some interesting legal advice they have.
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