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Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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Tbh, those are problems that you have to solve, somehow.

Given my airbnb rating and constant positive feedback, I'd say that my existing solution is sufficient.

Give it time.

I'd not be surprised to read that Air BnB are going to curtail this behavior next.

The only reason you're doing this is to game the system. Be honest and charge more.

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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Cleaning fees aren't a "scam" - most property owners really do need to pay someone to clean the property at the end of a stay. But, as another commenter said, they can be used as a way to encourage longer stays, as with most places you only pay a single cleaning fee regardless of the length of your stay. But, again, it's just a fact that these rentals are usually just cleaned between guests (as opposed to a hotel whe…

I've rented out a couple rooms in my house in the past for airbnb during special events in Austin to make some hobby money, shared my kitchen, they have a private bathroom. It doesn't cost $200 to clean. I can clean up after them typically in less than an hour.

FWIW I've never seen $200 cleaning fees on AirBnB for a room-in-a-house accommodation, but if I saw that then yes, I'd call BS. I've only ever seen fees that high for whole-home rentals.

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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In my experience Airbnb isn’t even cheaper, just has more “interesting” housing available. Back to the topic - removing listings isn’t a sufficient enough punishment imho. And how would you even prove it from the guests side? Take a picture I suppose? But how do you stop bad actors? Not sure what the correct solution is. Someone who wants to spy can purchase a spy camera which is very abundant these days.

Airbnb has a normal fridge, a microwave, a washing machine, a dishwasher and 700-100 sq ft area. A similarly priced hotel room will have 250 sq ft area and none of the above amenities.

Suite hotels have all that except maybe the washing machine and are often pretty comparable in price to "regular" hotel rooms. Those tend to be my preference although I use the refrigerator more than the rest of the kitchen.

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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AirBNB "when it started" was quite likely to find you quirky and cheap options. Now it's commoditized and a business, and the quirky and cheap options are few and far between. Part of the degradation is both the company, the sellers, and the buyers - back in the very beginning it wasn't well known and most of the customers were well behaved - I'm not sure that's entirely the case now, as the customer base has grown.

I'm a digital nomad. One luggage, no permanent home, been fifteen years. I used to use AirBnB all the time. They gradually become more and more, well, "large company". Governments gradually made AirBnB illegal or effectively illegal, largely or wholly killing off AirBnB in given cities, or countries. For example, it used to be about impossible to get into Amsterdam, because of rent control and renting regulations; no…

I think it’s a good thing that laws are being passed to make it mostly impossible for AirBnbs to be in residential areas and to make it easier for residents to find affordable houses instead of tourists

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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In my experience Airbnb isn’t even cheaper, just has more “interesting” housing available. Back to the topic - removing listings isn’t a sufficient enough punishment imho. And how would you even prove it from the guests side? Take a picture I suppose? But how do you stop bad actors? Not sure what the correct solution is. Someone who wants to spy can purchase a spy camera which is very abundant these days.

Airbnb has a normal fridge, a microwave, a washing machine, a dishwasher and 700-100 sq ft area. A similarly priced hotel room will have 250 sq ft area and none of the above amenities.

I literally stayed in hotels from October 2022 - October 2023 permanently with my wife except for two months between January and February last year as we flew around the country. We generally stayed in Homewood Suites, Home2Suites, Embassy Suites and Hyatt Places.

Most Hyatt Places didn’t have washer and dryers onsite. We had to either Uber to take our clothes or use a wash and fold delivery service.

The rest of the places did.

The rooms are usually around 400 square feet.

Homewood Suites and Home2Suites have dishwashers and full refrigerators. Home2Suites you have to ask for a “burner”

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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"In my experience Airbnb isn’t even cheaper, just has more “interesting” housing available." I still, can not wrap my head around this. The idea behind airbnb was to rent out unused parts of your house. You STILL can not do this. Motel 6 is cheaper all day everyday. I will keep giving my $80 to Motel 6, but, I KNOW there is someone out there that has a room and needs $80. The original problem still exists. I can't pa…

My suspicion is those cheap single rooms were never worth it for the hosts once you consider the long tail of things that can go wrong. One bad guest who upsets the other residents and leaves the property in bad condition will sap your earnings and throw off your life. Airbnb might eventually reimburse you for damage, but there’s still your time and aggravation. Also any household maintenance issue, like an internet…

I suspect that people in general are very bad about factoring in fully amortized costs--especially for expensive things that may be unpredictable and likely only happen once in a great while.

I was having a discussion not that long ago about how a house that's paid off actually costs a lot of money.

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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I'm a digital nomad. One luggage, no permanent home, been fifteen years. I used to use AirBnB all the time. They gradually become more and more, well, "large company". Governments gradually made AirBnB illegal or effectively illegal, largely or wholly killing off AirBnB in given cities, or countries. For example, it used to be about impossible to get into Amsterdam, because of rent control and renting regulations; no…

I think it’s a good thing that laws are being passed to make it mostly impossible for AirBnbs to be in residential areas and to make it easier for residents to find affordable houses instead of tourists

I don't trust the laws. I think they're either implemented on behalf of the hotel chains, or else they only entrench people who already got "permits" for short term rentals, which now become basically golden tickets. I seriously doubt we'll see rents drop significantly anywhere.

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

#348

In my experience Airbnb isn’t even cheaper, just has more “interesting” housing available. Back to the topic - removing listings isn’t a sufficient enough punishment imho. And how would you even prove it from the guests side? Take a picture I suppose? But how do you stop bad actors? Not sure what the correct solution is. Someone who wants to spy can purchase a spy camera which is very abundant these days.

> In my experience Airbnb isn’t even cheaper, just has more “interesting” housing available. I think it depends. For relatively short stays of one or two people, a hotel is nearly always a better deal in my opinion (for short stays the cleaning fee alone can be a big percentage of the total price). But for week or longer stays with a family or larger, they usually come out ahead given multiple bedrooms and the fact t…

The whole house thing for a group is where I see Airbnb (or VRBO) etc. being a big win over most hotel options.

But for most singles or couples traveling, predictability and lack of issues is pretty much the priority. That's not to say I only stay in chain hotels--I've stayed in plenty of B&Bs and small inns--but I don't like rolling the dice on that aspect of my travel more than I need to.

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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I'm a digital nomad. One luggage, no permanent home, been fifteen years. I used to use AirBnB all the time. They gradually become more and more, well, "large company". Governments gradually made AirBnB illegal or effectively illegal, largely or wholly killing off AirBnB in given cities, or countries. For example, it used to be about impossible to get into Amsterdam, because of rent control and renting regulations; no…

All of the above makes total sense (to me) when you realize that people don't know how to price rentals at all - just like the average person doesn't know how to price restaurant food. When you know truly how to price (and cost!) something, you know when and where you can offer discounts. If cost to acquire a tenant is $2k, then the discount to preserve a good tenant should be about $2k per tenant turnover time .

> the average person doesn't know how to price restaurant food

Could you be more specific?

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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> The change comes after numerous reports of guests finding hidden cameras within their rental, leading some vacation-goers to scan their rooms for cameras. Checking for cameras seems like a smart move no matter what their policy is. You just never know.

How do you reliably find cameras?

There are numerous techniques needed to search but, crucially, nothing can guarantee you've found them all.

I'm struggling to find it, but I read an article a few months ago where a team placed about 30 cameras hidden in a home and tried to find them all. Most methods found low single digits. Even the best ("an advanced lens detector" for $400) brought the total up to fewer than 20.

Really wish I could find that because now all I'm finding is dogshit articles claiming it's easy.

edit: found, it was from CNBC. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/22/how-to-find-a-hidden-camera-...

You can also check what devices are connected to the wifi but there's no guarantee they don't have a second network just for the cameras which you can't access.

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