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U.S. students will take the SAT online

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This is a great step for accessibility, but will not go well with Collegeboard's level of incompetence. I took the GRE (administered by the same company that owns collegeboard) remotely online and as soon as I started the test their absolute spyware of a lockdown browser immediately closed. Despite me passing the system check immediately before the test, the lockdown browser thought I was cheating and immediately shu…

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> I would recommend anyone planning to take the SAT to still take it at a testing center. It is only offered at testing centers.

Ah, I misread the article. I completely missed the line mentioning that the test was still inperson, and thought that the "bring your own device" thing implied remote testing. I'm glad it's still an in-person proctored exam, since then if people have issues with their own devices they can hopefully switch to a provided one

If anything has to be installed, I’d say it would still be wise to use a provided device. I didn’t notice anything about it in the article, though the mention of a tablet option makes me assume it’s web based.

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Some of the math competitions I participated would penalize for skipping around. You were awarded +5 for correct answers and -4 for incorrect or skipped questions. It was not uncommon for negative scores. In one test, any stray marks were also marked as incorrect. No erasing, no changing a 7 to a 9, or anything was allowed. The questions leaned toward an increasing difficulty, but there could something very difficult…

It's cute but doesn't make any difference. Add 4 to the score for every question and you get 9 or 0. The factor of 9 makes no difference so call it 1 or 0. Now your score is just the number of questions you got right, but the ranking is exactly the same as the original scoring system.

It depends if skipping means questions not answered or if it means questions skipped to answer later questions. But either way it's more like playing gameshow host than making a meaningful exam.

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Wow, I didnt know states did that. In my state the motorcycle licensing works similarly in that you can skip the state test, however unlike what you described for cars, the course is excellent (standard MSF course). Also, the MSF does administer a (pretty tough) test.

It has devolved into a pay for play scheme. I cut a check for a few hundred dollars and you stamp the form saying my kid can drive. You can also take the on the road driving course through your public school at no cost but the wait for that can be extremely long. Most people in my area just pay. A parent does also have to sign the form stating the kid has completed a certain number of hours driving under a certain mi…

You should’ve lead with being from Virginia. That entire state is layers of pay for play schemes. They might’ve removed road tests to “save money” but they’re more than happy to keep up car inspection, emissions, registration and a vehicle value tax.

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Many kids have an IEP - an individualized education plan. https://www2.ed.gov/parents/needs/speced/iepguide/index.html They get extra time allocation to take tests - 50% more in most cases. The numbers I hear tossed around is that a substantial fraction (20% to 40%) of school kids in some of the elite public and private schools have IEPs. Clearly there are kids who need the extra time. But that many? ADHD is the reas…

> Combine 50% extra time with adderall. 1500+ SAT scores are not uncommon. That's not a great take. If you want to complain about overprescribing, go ahead. But Adderall is meant for people who need it to get closer to baseline. People abusing the prescription is not a good reason to criticise IEP adjustments.

Are stimulant prescriptions for ADHD carefully calibrated in dosage and time to get patients to a baseline? In my experience, doctors ask you questions to determine if you have attention deficits, then give you a prescription, which will be changed in various directions (different medication, increased dosage, etc) if you report problems; they very rarely in practice have you take an in-depth "attention measuring" test and then prescribe on that basis.

What is the baseline? Would anyone consider it cheating if they took extra or changed their dosing schedule to maximize their test score? I think most people would consider that rational behavior, not abuse. But it does call into question whether that's "fair" to people without the drug.

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COVID is endemic. Endemic and pandemic are mutually exclusive things.

Physically, one is a subset of the other. It's only "mutually exclusive" from a specific (misleading) angle.

What angle? I'm talking about the definitions of the words.

Pandemic: occurring over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affecting a significant proportion of the population; characterized by very widespread growth or extent

Endemic: characteristic of or prevalent in a particular field, area, or environment; a disease or outbreak of disease that is typically present in a particular region or population : an endemic disease

COVID doesn't even really qualify as endemic based on the dictionary definition, but it's certainly not a pandemic.

Re: U.S. students will take the SAT online

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post #261

This is a great step for accessibility, but will not go well with Collegeboard's level of incompetence. I took the GRE (administered by the same company that owns collegeboard) remotely online and as soon as I started the test their absolute spyware of a lockdown browser immediately closed. Despite me passing the system check immediately before the test, the lockdown browser thought I was cheating and immediately shu…

If you are based in the US, try to make a claim with your credit card or, if more adventurous, small claims court to sue. It seems pretty easy to win. Also, send a letter to your attorneys general office to explain what happened. > got 99th percentile scores on everything This part was unnecessary to include. Nothing but humblebragging there.

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As a former educator, I look forward to the day that we can simply track student ability in a trustable manner based on long term data collection in the classroom rather than requiring these additional, often expensive, exams. We would need to mediate our classroom interactions more than we do now - but the tools do so usefully are there if packaged correctly.

How would you compare raw intelligence or cross schools? That kind of calibration and opportunity for smart students who had other reasons to not focus or care about high school and other remedial grades is really important.

If the goal is just to test intelligence, why are we even pretending doing something else and not just giving IQ tests.

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I'm curious as to the states involved. Michigan takes car culture seriously. You have to parallel park on the drivers test, and the Secretary of State offices (there is no DMV, because what a waste of taxpayer funds...) have eye charts when you renew your license.

CA here. The eye charts are a joke. They’re visible at all times so you could easily memorize them during your long wait (even with appointment); and the specific line they have you read is huge. I’ve never looked into it but I suspect it’s just to show you can read a sign on the highway.

Your comment seems odd. If the vision test is enough to show you can read a sign on the highway, why does that make it a joke?

Are you suggesting that someone shouldn't have a license if their vision is not correctable to 20/20, even if it's good enough for all essential driving tasks?

Re: U.S. students will take the SAT online

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post #261

This is a great step for accessibility, but will not go well with Collegeboard's level of incompetence. I took the GRE (administered by the same company that owns collegeboard) remotely online and as soon as I started the test their absolute spyware of a lockdown browser immediately closed. Despite me passing the system check immediately before the test, the lockdown browser thought I was cheating and immediately shu…

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