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Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by pb7 »

imiric wrote: post #234
framapotari wrote: post #168

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In your analogy when you say buying directly from the farmer by paying with cash, what does that translate to in the real world? How are you supporting content creators on YouTube if you block ads?

For most of them, I'm not. But some creators have alternative revenue streams which I do support. This is not my problem to fix. I don't feel guilty in any way for refusing to participate in a business model I don't agree with.

You should feel guilty. It's no different than going to a restaurant and not tipping knowing full well that is the accepted business model. It's not illegal, but it's a morally reprehensible thing to do. And tipping one server $50 and the next 10 nothing is not worthy of praise either.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by imiric »

pb7 wrote: post #340
imiric wrote: post #338

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> You will be surprised to see how much money you need to pay in order to match the ads numbers. I'm well aware of that. Advertising is clearly the most profitable online business model. It has a low barrier of entry for users, it scales with the amount of users, and is simple to implement. Companies can collect user data and use it in perpetuity to monetize it in infinite ways beyond just ad impressions. Data is gol…

Explain what role advertising plays in you not paying a subscription to have access to ad-free videos. You are using a lot of words to justify the fact that you would prefer to steal from the same creators that you rely on for information and entertainment. You do not care about their well being but you’re standing on that soapbox nonetheless. And please, don’t tell me that you support them in other ways because I do…

> Explain what role advertising plays in you not paying a subscription to have access to ad-free videos.

Paying YouTube to not show me ads simply removes the inconvenience of not interrupting my watching experience. It doesn't get rid of any of the other issues I mentioned inherent to advertising as a business, which Google still is, whether I pay them or not. My data will still be used to show me ads on other Google sites, I'm still training their algorithms on how to keep me on their site for longer and how to better show me ads in the future, etc. And I'm supporting their empire, which I'd rather not do.

> And please, don’t tell me that you support them in other ways because I don’t believe you.

I don't care whether you believe me or not. The creators certainly don't get compensated nearly enough by alternative means, and I don't do regular donations or have any system to keep track of how much I've spent. It's surely a minuscule amount compared to what they earn from advertising. But it's not my problem they chose to rely on a business model I refuse to be a part of. If this bothers them, they're free to put up their content on other platforms, or behind a paywall. If, however, they upload their content on a public site, I have no qualms with accessing a public resource on my own terms. The fact you equate this to stealing is laughable.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by slg »

spacedcowboy wrote: post #325
slg wrote: post #31

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Seriously, what percentage of people who just spent at least $3,500 on the hardware would quibble over an extra $5 when it comes to as essential a native app as Youtube?

Well, I don't really use Youtube, so ...

Then why would you buy a $5 YouTube client?

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by imiric »

pb7 wrote: post #341
imiric wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For most of them, I'm not. But some creators have alternative revenue streams which I do support. This is not my problem to fix. I don't feel guilty in any way for refusing to participate in a business model I don't agree with.

You should feel guilty. It's no different than going to a restaurant and not tipping knowing full well that is the accepted business model. It's not illegal, but it's a morally reprehensible thing to do. And tipping one server $50 and the next 10 nothing is not worthy of praise either.

> It's no different than going to a restaurant and not tipping knowing full well that is the accepted business model.

That's a ridiculous comparison. To make it more accurate, though: if the restaurant was also storing a copy of my personal data, recording my every move, and interrupting my meal to shove food I didn't order down my throat, I certainly wouldn't tip anyone at that restaurant, and would prefer to eat elsewhere. The servers who choose to work there have no moral right to complain about me not tipping them, and eating food that is available for anyone to take without paying is certainly not equivalent to stealing.

Once, and if, I'm given the option to actually pay for the service I order instead of this insanely hostile experience, I'll happily tip for it as well.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by qarl »

LeSaucy wrote: post #280

Talented developer for sure, but has a knack for developing software that piggy backs of silicon valley giants that can turn off access at a moments notice.

Yeah. That makes me respect him more. He's signing himself up for pain and disappointment, but will make supremely useful tools regardless.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by pb7 »

imiric wrote: post #344
pb7 wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should feel guilty. It's no different than going to a restaurant and not tipping knowing full well that is the accepted business model. It's not illegal, but it's a morally reprehensible thing to do. And tipping one server $50 and the next 10 nothing is not worthy of praise either.

> It's no different than going to a restaurant and not tipping knowing full well that is the accepted business model. That's a ridiculous comparison. To make it more accurate, though: if the restaurant was also storing a copy of my personal data, recording my every move, and interrupting my meal to shove food I didn't order down my throat, I certainly wouldn't tip anyone at that restaurant, and would prefer to eat el…

>Once, and if, I'm given the option to actually pay for the service I order instead of this insanely hostile experience, I'll happily tip for it as well.

You do. It's called YouTube Premium and it has no interruptions. You can turn off activity history and no data will be recorded nor will you get personalized recommendations. You have the tools at your fingertips, but instead you've convinced yourself that you're the victim in order to justify shorting the creators on whom you rely.

>would prefer to eat elsewhere

Okay, eat elsewhere then.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by huytersd »

zapzupnz wrote: post #219
danjc wrote: post #211

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It's a terrible pronoun since that usage is a retrofit of a word intended to be used as a plural.

Singular they dates back to the 14th century. Isn't 600 years long enough to stop quibbling over it?

When the gender is unknown. Why apply it in every case?

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by mattl »

dbtc wrote: post #317
PaulHoule wrote: post #304

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Here's an almost trivial bit of "permissionless innovation" thanks to Silicon Valley giants: https://mastodon.social/@UP8/111049822586450100 30 years ago somebody who wanted to develop a "new object you can use to distribute music" had to spend $100 million on some project like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Compact_Cassette today it is very simple because almost everyone has a player in their pocket that conn…

I've been imagining making song/album cards for a long time now! Just like that! Very nice.

CD Baby and others have sold these cards for people putting music on their services for a while.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by kalleboo »

pests wrote: post #339
SebFender wrote: post #204

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what what what? I've been using Premium for years what is this feature exactly? I don't see it. Cheers.

Desktop only feature. Have to enable it. It puts a sidebox with a mini remote where suggested videos usually are. It's under "Modify Playback with Premium Controls": https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6308116?hl=en

> Desktop only feature

Weird, that page says "Premium controls are available on Android, iPhone, and tablets, but are not yet available on desktop.", and I'm not seeing the option on desktop

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by kalleboo »

kccqzy wrote: post #39
p-e-w wrote: post #17

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I'm amazed that someone who has been this badly burned by a corporation controlling their API access would even think about writing another app that uses third-party APIs, to be honest.

If you had read the article you would find that this app doesn't really need YouTube API access. It's just an iframe. It's 1998 tech.

I'm 100% expecting YouTube to cease&desist him

> https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/171780?hl=en

The YouTube API Terms of Service and Developer Policies apply to all access and use of the YouTube embedded player.

> https://developers.google.com/youtube/terms/developer-polici...

You and your API Clients must not, and must not encourage, enable, or require others to:

use YouTube API Services to create, offer, or act as a substitute for, or substantially similar service to, any YouTube Applications. API Clients must not mimic or replicate YouTube's core user experiences by recreating features or process flows unless they add significant independent value or functionality that improves users' interactions with YouTube. For example, an API Client must not recreate the browse experience from any YouTube Application without adding significant independent value to that flow.

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