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Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by 127361 »

lobocinza wrote: post #310
OOPMan wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but did anyones attempts to contact emergency services get affected in this case? I'm guessing not. No matter how you paint it, this was probably rather excessive on the part of the police.

And on the part of who called the police in the first place. In my experience teachers and school management are just too paranoid/neurotic and will escalate everything so they can't be blamed.

It might be legal for them to call the cops, but it still does not absolve them from moral responsibility for their actions. Including all the distress it would cause the child's family, and the likely ongoing PTSD from the incident.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by 127361 »

jaystraw wrote: post #337
5440 wrote: post #295

My son was just arrested for using this in his hacking club at high school. Be careful if you have kids with one. According to witnesses in the room, he was showing it to kids in his hacking club and they all thought it was just turning off Apple phones in the classrooom. Apparently, it turned off phones including several teachers in adjoining classrooms. Anyways. The police came to the school and arrested him and ar…

As someone with two and a half -- yes, and a half -- felonies for computer trespass from when I was in highschool, at 17, freshly 17, in 2003...I feel for you. Longer story, obviously. But no one knew how to deal with the situation, so "Something has to be done!" In the words of Governor William J La Petomane, one of Mel Brooks' characters from Blazing Saddles, "We have to keep our phony baloney jobs gentlemen!"

When I was a teenager I would pour Coca-Cola into the school computers after seeing a fellow student get into trouble for similar stuff. Never got caught for that. It's acid and worked especially well against powered up electronic equipment.

I wouldn't be surprised nowadays they would just start a rumor about the teacher's sexual misconduct or grooming of the students, in response, instead. And the accusation could spread and escalate, completely destroying the life of the teacher.

A certain percentage of the population will just make stuff up if they have the opportunity to do so, and "juicy" gossip can spread virally. So if they ask for "witnesses" to come forward, they will. Sex offenders are hated so much in society, they get beaten and abused in prison all the time, so it's essentially torture in the end.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by Reubachi »

127361 wrote: post #339
d1str0 wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to hear about this. You probably shouldn’t post anymore about this for legal reasons. For other readers, I’d be curious the jurisdiction. The specific app that can turn off iPhones requires the “unleashed” firmware I believe. Also, regarding legality, if you are DoSing cell phones, you are creating a hazard where users are no longer able to contact emergency services, and this is the most likely avenue of charg…

And so do reinforced concrete walls, they block the signal and thus prevent emergency services from being contacted too. And so many other things. Radio communications are unreliable by default. Someone's prank should not result in criminal charges unless tangible harm has occurred.

Intent, not the act is 99 percent etc etc. Wether or not harm took place does not matter, if it did, the entire basis of our legal system would rely upon only direct evidence of violent acts.

This is why attempted murder, kidnapping, etc is a charge. We do not yet have a charge of "attempted mass personal device disablement". and there is no reasonable case for......"manslaughter" of a device.

Being "realistic"/less analagous; Your mobile device is the most important inanimate object to you in every single category imaginable. And this is the case for most of humanity for some time now. If someone knowingly removed my access to my personal device maliciously, I would suddenly start caring very much about seeing that persons freedoms taken away.

Edit: after rambling I wanna reiterate my first bit....intent is 99 percent. In this case, it's a kid. The law has context, and I think they should of course be lenient.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by 127361 »

Reubachi wrote: post #343
127361 wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And so do reinforced concrete walls, they block the signal and thus prevent emergency services from being contacted too. And so many other things. Radio communications are unreliable by default. Someone's prank should not result in criminal charges unless tangible harm has occurred.

Intent, not the act is 99 percent etc etc. Wether or not harm took place does not matter, if it did, the entire basis of our legal system would rely upon only direct evidence of violent acts. This is why attempted murder, kidnapping, etc is a charge. We do not yet have a charge of "attempted mass personal device disablement". and there is no reasonable case for......"manslaughter" of a device. Being "realistic"/less…

Yes, and if the intent was to prevent access to emergency services, then yes that would rightfully be a crime. But if the intent was to pull a stupid prank that would temporarily disable someone's iPhone for 5 minutes, then that should not be a crime, if only done once.

The kid should be told not to do it again. And no law enforcement should have ever been involved in the first place. Otherwise we are teaching those children to distrust authorities, that authorities are unjust and unfair. Thus undermining the rule of law.

All their classmates are also involved and watching the outcome of the situation. Some might end up seeing the "system" as being unfair and are not going to think twice before stealing or committing some other crime, e.g. fraud.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by what-the-grump »

Gormo wrote: post #292
sev1 wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't aware of a Russia connection until this post. On flipperzero.com near the top it says: >Our team was originally formed in Neuron Hackspace by collaborating with industrial design and manufacturing experts Design Heroes. A quick Google search for Neuron Hackspace and Design Heroes shows their location as Moscow. I'm inclined to believe the detailed report from that blog post and am glad I did not end up buyin…

> I wasn't aware of a Russia connection until this post. I'm still not aware of it after reading the post. Pointing out that some of the people on the project were members of a hackerspace in Moscow at some point in the past is not remotely sufficient to substantiate that there exists any current connection between the project and Putin's regime.

You mean like the CEO does work for FSB lives in Moscow supports the Russian war effort and built a service to silence Putin's opposition is not enough? We need to get him shaking hands with someone or cashing a check from FSB for services?

Stop trolling.

Re: Flipper Zero: Multi-Tool Device for Geeks

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Post by ashleyn »

EA wrote: post #331
futhey wrote: post #142

When people realized anyone with a sophisticated police scanner could listen in on cordless (and then early cellular) phone calls, it forced manufacturers to actually implement a bare-minimum level of security on those devices. I hope this pushes more manufacturers to switch to rolling-code algorithms (like the key fob your car uses), in place of simpler, less secure codes that can be captured and replayed.

In the late 1980's I had this VCR that would allow me to tune into over the air TV channels in the eastern US. Being an elementary aged student poking around, I realized I could use the tuner to listen in to telephone calls somehow. Granted, I lived on a farm and there were probably only two dozen houses within a mile radius of our home; the nearest being a quarter mile away. I had a small rabbit ear antenna on the b…

Likely first-gen cell phone service (AMPS)[1]. Calls were entirely unencrypted analogue audio transmitted in bands formerly allocated to UHF television. Your VCR was likely a pre-83 model, which is when the frequencies were reallocated to AMPS[2].

[1]: https://www.telecomtrainer.com/amps-cellular/

[2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-American_television_freq...

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