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Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by outcoldman »

bamboozled wrote: post #195
outcoldman wrote: post #188

The thing is... Those two people on the call, I mean... They are just doing their job as well. Don't understand what is the point to actually argue with them. Nothing they can do or change. And yes, Brittany is going to be internet famous for a day. But a lot of people going to watch this video and recognize her on the next loop of interviews. Just not the best solution for this situation. It is just sad to see. And…

They are just doing their job as well. They are, but we could say similar things about cartels, drug smugglers etc.To you they're just criminals, to them, they're trying to survive and just doing their jobs. It doesn't mean it's a noble thing to be doing for a job.

I believe it is unfair to treat people in HR like that. To think about it, they got their job the same way we did (say engineers, or in case of the person on the video sales). I am sure some of them also got fired. More than that people who worked in HR went through hell during COVID and hire freeze.

So yes, the job of HR is to hire and fire people. And of course doing some human resources things, but in reality protect the company.

And please don't compare HR to cartels, cheez. What the actual F? In the current state of everything, I more mad at the software engineers and not at anybody else in this world. The amount of crappy software, services and products available right now is absolutely gigantic, most of us work for corporations that don't value personal lives and privacy and ready to sell your data to anybody.

Please don't put yourself above the people who worked in HR.

It is like being mad at the nurse/doctor at the hospital, that can tell you that she cannot do something for free, just because it is policy of the hospital. Sure, if she refuses to cure a dying man - that is one thing. But in this case they just let go a few people from the company, not like they throw them under the bus.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by hartleybrody »

cameldrv wrote: post #234
IvyMike wrote: post #25

I get why Brittany's mad: Cloudflare appears to be handling this about as bad as possible. But those two HR randos aren't gonna have anything worthwhile to say, either. I don't want to be judgmental of Brittany because it's a sucky call to have to take. But my recommendation in this situation is to say "I disagree with that assessment of my performance, but I understand you are terminating my employment. What details…

Yes, this would be the optimal vulcan way to take this. In the human world, peoples stake a chunk of their identity with the company they work for, and when they get fired, that part of their identity is lost. The right, human way to deal with this as the employer is to say that you're sorry and to truly empathize with the people they're firing. Unfortunately, HR doesn't want to do this anymore, maybe for legal reaso…

>that you're sorry and to truly empathize with the people they're firing

Serious question: what should have been said on this call to do that? There was a lot of "I'm sorry you feel that way" seeming to come from the HR representative, but it seemed to miss the mark.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by IvyMike »

mlrtime wrote: post #307
IvyMike wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure who I am either, but in no way did I say "this is ok". I'm saying there's nothing to be gained to prolonging the talk with two drones from HR. Maybe I'm missing something. What's your best case scenario for how the call goes? What is the biggest potential upside?

In general I agree with you, however. Advice that is "go get drunk" to deal with a horrible situation is bad. Maybe this is what she needs for closure and not looking for answers in the bottom of a bottle.

"Looking for answers in the bottom of a bottle", seriously? In my own experience, drinking with friends at a spontaneous "fuck that job" party after a massive layoff is one of life's great pleasures. To each their own, I guess.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by cheeselip420 »

yreg wrote: post #338
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She's in Georgia, and Georgia, like most states, is a "one-party consent" state for purposes of making audio recordings of conversations. They'd have no case at all.

So you are free to record work meetings and post them on TikTok?

Legally, yes.

But she could experience some consequences if future employers don't feel great about this.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by IvyMike »

cstrahan wrote: post #294
IvyMike wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure who I am either, but in no way did I say "this is ok". I'm saying there's nothing to be gained to prolonging the talk with two drones from HR. Maybe I'm missing something. What's your best case scenario for how the call goes? What is the biggest potential upside?

> What is the biggest potential upside? The upside is an emotional one: not feeling saddened from letting someone easily walk all over you. In the case of this woman's termination, they have lied to her face about her performance, and would presumably also lie to anyone that asked about the cause of her termination (they would say she was fired, when it was a lay off). They probably expected her to just silently take…

> If it was intentional, I would tell them that I am sorry for their condition: that they feel that the only way to be seen is to bug people in indirect ways (as they are clearly too chickenshit to resort to outright violence) because they are too worthless a person to pay any mind to otherwise.

Me being Don Draper in the elevator.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by rcarmo »

Ekaros wrote: post #320
rcarmo wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She does point out it was holiday season. Sales slow down.

Wouldn't pre-holiday season be exactly the time when company like cloudflare would have more sales?

If I recall the timeline correctly, she was in training during pre-holiday season. But in case we're talking about different things, just FYI, in telco and networking _nothing_ happens after Thanksgiving--it's essentially "quiet" time as customers go into holiday breaks and network freezes.

If you meant Cloudflare customers would make heavy use of their services during holiday season, yes -- but nobody deploys that kind of solution _during_ sales, all online retail pre-plans for that months in advance (cloud resources, inventory, security, etc.), so they wouldn't _buy_ those services then.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by jauhuncocrs »

Never work so hard that you'd be that frustrated and almost crying once fired for no reason. Corporations are no friends. They'll let you down without any reason, you're just a number. Spend your energy on them accordingly.

Once fired, go away with dignity and smile, while knowing that you had Plan B for the whole time. Many people compare relationship with company they work for with the relationship with their partner, but it's a totally different thing. Abundance mentality is crucial and always think about Plan B and build your career to be able to leave the company anytime.

Brittney posting video of herself getting fired while acting a bit desperate and frustrated won't help her in her future career (she also probably recorded them without them knowing).

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by yreg »

cheeselip420 wrote: post #345
yreg wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you are free to record work meetings and post them on TikTok?

Legally, yes. But she could experience some consequences if future employers don't feel great about this.

What about NDAs?

What hashtag should I follow to watch more US corp internal meetings?

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by barbazoo »

I mean, yes it sucks to get laid off but also these people that are on the call aren't the ones that made the decision.

And sure it's a shitty situation but I'd be upset if my coworker published a call I had with them on social media, that's just as unprofessional.

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