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Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by rsynnott »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #275
flerchin wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This site went up in response to zero people dying.

A door came flying off at 16k feet. They found a bunch of planes with loose bolts. On a plane with a history of problems built by a company with a history of problems. No one died this time. But hundreds died last time. Nothing will stop Boeing except money. People not wanting to fly this plane will change airlines purchasing decisions. Boeing will feel the pain.

> People not wanting to fly this plane will change airlines purchasing decisions.

It actually may not, much, unfortunately; there's only one real competing line of products, and they're so massively backlogged that people will buy this anyway.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by rconti »

uudecoded wrote: post #196
gruez wrote: post #41

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>those use actual flight plan data, so will take into account any last minute aircraft changes. But at that point it's too late. I doubt people are that afraid of 737 Max that they'll cancel a flight (and forfeit their ticket) over it.

In Seattle (since Boeing was the largest employer in the state until Amazon succeeded them), there was a common line: "if it's not Boeing, I'm not going" (See '79 bumper sticker: https://www.ebay.com/itm/332131135342 ) Starting to look like it might be the other way around...

Move Boeing back to Seattle!

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by grgbrn »

IE6 wrote: post #123
malfist wrote: post #38

Really bad UI. Clicking on the placeholder text in the textbox doesn't do anything. I thought it was broken until I just starting clicking randomly and found that clicking outside the placeholder text works.

I agree that clicking on what appears to be a placeholder but instead acts as a label should at the very least focus the input box so you're prompted to type in it. However the UI overall is pretty simple and clean.

Uhh.. damning praise. I think that can be rephrased as: "It's pretty, but despite being almost the simplest thing you can imagine, it still has ridiculous, unnecessary usability problems"

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by 123pie123 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #262
dist-epoch wrote: post #243

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Everybody agrees that FAA is not what it used to be, these days the Boeing engineers are basically self-certifying their planes. So what's irrational in not believing that 737 Max is safe?

> what's irrational in not believing that 737 Max is safe? The millions of miles they've flown without incident. The key difference this conversation demands is a design versus fabrication or maintenance error. MCAS was a design error. It called into question the entire 737 Max fleet. This looks like a fabrication or maintenance mistake. That calls into question all of the planes similarly fabricated or maintained--t…

interesting question.. how many miles have 737max flown without any incidents?

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by flashback2199 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #322
flashback2199 wrote: post #281

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NTSB are doing that lab work right now in Washington D.C. You seem to not know the meaning of suspect, so here is the definition: Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more sus·pect verb 3rd person present: suspects /səˈspek(t)/ 1. have an idea or impression of the existence, presence, or truth of (something) without certain proof. "if you suspect a gas leak, do not turn on an electric light" Have a gr…

> seem to not know the meaning of suspect Suspicion doesn't mean baseless hypothesis, e.g. "Mars is an orange." The NTSB would never say (and has not said, as you've conceded) it "suspects" the "bolts were never screwed in." Were there a lack of marks where the bolts should have exerted clamping force, there would be basis for suspicion. That isn't proof . But it's more than a hypothesis.

I mean you can believe what you want but NTSB literally had a guy at a podium say into the mic last night that there is so far no evidence "the bolts were ever there", around the 17-18 minute mark if you have nothing better to do. Good luck with your investments.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by jessriedel »

ghaff wrote: post #321
jessriedel wrote: post #299

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You can also argue that the airline is responsible for operating only quality products

An airline is responsible more for safely operating the aircraft (including most maintenance). An airline really isn't in a position to verify every design detail of an aircraft any more than you're responsible for verifying there are no potential design flaws in your (much simpler) car that could potentially cause someone injury.

I think airlines are a lot more responsible for verifying design flaws in their airplane than I am in my car. First, they are a giant business which has way more resources to do this. Second, they are selling a service.

If I was running a US taxi service and bought a fleet of flawed Indian cars that caused crashes, I think I would be partially responsible.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by jessriedel »

StreetChief wrote: post #309
jessriedel wrote: post #119

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Strong agree with this, although worth noting that a crude back-of-the-envelope calculation suggests that the 737 Max has a rate of fatal accidents per mile that is only safer than driving a car by a factor of ~10. (See below.) Since cars are one of the most dangerous forms of transportation, it's certainly not crazy that people would want to avoid an airplane model that's only 10x safer than a car. Bicycles are only…

Do these calculations assume all miles flown by ANY max variant are the same?

Sort of. It averages over them. If you want to dig up some data and make a more detailed estimate, please do so.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by booleandilemma »

gruez wrote: post #41
United857 wrote: post #28

For the most reliable info, you can look up your flight number in Flightaware or Flightradar 24 -- those use actual flight plan data, so will take into account any last minute aircraft changes.

>those use actual flight plan data, so will take into account any last minute aircraft changes. But at that point it's too late. I doubt people are that afraid of 737 Max that they'll cancel a flight (and forfeit their ticket) over it.

I'm starting to get there though.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by stouset »

StreetChief wrote: post #269
stouset wrote: post #153

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I don’t think we can even remotely say that. From all photo evidence I’ve seen, some cushions were sucked off the seat. These cushions are designed to be removed. If a passenger was seated and wearing their seat belt, I have every faith that they would have been fine . Uncomfortable as hell but ultimately fine. I’ll bet money the NTSB report will say as much. And the point stands that the only reason this story is no…

A child in the middle row had his shirt sucked off his body. They were only at 16,000ft, maybe half the cruising altitude? I forget if it's 35,000 or 50,000 usually.

> A child in the middle row had his shirt sucked off his body.

You're kind of making my point for me when clothing being removed from a person is the most harrowing part of an aviation incident.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by thegrim33 »

I'll preface this by saying I'm for sure not denying there's problems to be fixed with this plane. There for sure are. But man, people in threads like these seem so out of touch with reality. You know that you have an incomplete picture of reality right?

You're on US-based websites and consume US-based media, both of which amplify every bad thing related to Boeing, but don't amplify the same types of issues for other manufacturers. When Airbus planes fall apart and crash and have problems those events almost never get upvoted to the top of Hacker News, and you don't see those events covered nearly as often in the media. All you are exposed to is Boeing bad news, and not bad news from other manufacturers and you have a pretty skewed perception of reality.

It's still lottery ticket odds to be involved in a crash with one of these planes. You likely risk your life more every time you get in a car than getting in one of these planes.

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