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Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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Lost a window and an unoccupied seat per https://old.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/18znz5p/as_1282_k... > According to FAA record posted online, the Boeing 737-9 MAX rolled off the assembly line just two months ago, receiving its certification in November 2023. Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38882358 (“HN: Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get it in the air“)

According to the NYT report, there was no one seated in the seat by the window (which is still there in pictures). That is very lucky. The child seated in the aisle of that row had his shirt ripped off by the depressurization.

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Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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Can't help but remember a recent discussion about Russian planes and how it all sucks "because alcoholism". Wonder if those full-of-themselves people will blame fentanyl and weed here, hehehehe. Feels kind of karmic.

Why carry on a toxic and flame-war prone conversation in a new thread?

Why not have some sense of humor?

What kind of policing is this anyway? Does pointing out the irony of the fact that Boeing forgot how to build planes feels kinda butthurt compared to being supremacist about technology?

Well it actually should. And this topic SHOULD be inflammatory and provocative. It would be totally weird if everyone is fine with this. Its not like supremacist outlook on tech has nothing to do with deteriorating quality of that tech anyway.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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post #334

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You're spending an extra 8 hours to marginally (at best) improve safety? I'd be willing to bet good money that you partake in wildly more risky activity (such as driving or even walking down the street). This feels almost like virtue signaling without it being virtue signaling.

Statistically it might be safe, but the vast majority of people are still going to make decisions based on perceived risk. As a customer, how else can you send your feedback to Boeing (and the airlines) that this level of perceived risk is unacceptable? It's clear there are issues at the company and Boeing is unlikely to respond unless there are financial consequences.

Call me a betting man, but I'd be willing to bet yet even more money that at least 95% of people don't even know what plane they're getting on during their trip. And of that 5% left, only a handful people would rebook their flights at an increased expense of money/time to signal to Boeing that 737 max is unsafe. The handful of people doing it are bordering on virtue signaling.

With that said, however, I really dislike Boeing's recent decisions and the safety issues that have come up. I do agree that Boeing needs to face financial consequences, but I don't believe that customers have any power in this situation. Realistically, airlines and governing authorities would have the most impact and if they don't see issues big enough with Boeing to stop ordering planes, there isn't much else to do.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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If one door falls of the aircraft, it's most likely a service tech didn't do the job properly, not that there is a systematic issue. That'd require much more fallen doors.

>If one door falls of the aircraft, it's most likely a service tech didn't do the job properly More or less what both Boeings predecessor and the FAA took away last time such a thing occurred. Crew didnt close the door properly and a warning sign was installed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_96 >Injuries 11 (2 crew, 9 passengers)[1] >That'd require much more fallen doors. That happened last ti…

> We tried the approach you proposed in the past and it didnt work.

You work at Boeing or aircraft safety regulator or something?

Can you elaborate on what exactly you've done?

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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>If one door falls of the aircraft, it's most likely a service tech didn't do the job properly More or less what both Boeings predecessor and the FAA took away last time such a thing occurred. Crew didnt close the door properly and a warning sign was installed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_96 >Injuries 11 (2 crew, 9 passengers)[1] >That'd require much more fallen doors. That happened last ti…

> We tried the approach you proposed in the past and it didnt work. You work at Boeing or aircraft safety regulator or something? Can you elaborate on what exactly you've done?

No, bad case of language barrier. Thanks for asking for clarification, its an equally unpleasant misunderstanding as people feeling insulted by the use of the generic you.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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The other article today about Boeing trying to exempt themselves from safety regulations for the 737 MAX is pretty timely. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38882358

Unfortunately, it’s kind of overblown. That particular exemption already exists for the 8 and 9, they just haven’t granted it specifically for the 7 yet. It’s not clear that there’s any issue there.

This is true, though one could argue the exemption shouldn't have been granted to 8 and 9 in the first place.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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post #315

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What modern car calls for oil changes more than once a year, assuming you’re not exceeding the mileage?

My 2016 Toyota Sienna for one.

If you use synthetic oil, the interval is 10,000 miles or 1 year, even for your Sienna.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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Aerospace was my field before tech was. Reliability is still my field. A door got sucked out of a plane in flight. That is not a matter of unavoidable human error but can only be the consequence of a concert of cascading failures of the type that should never happen which is why it’s a 10/10, if the flight had been full at least one passenger would have likely been sucked out. It is dumb luck that this did not happen…

It wasn’t a door.

Whatever. It was the large plug put in place of where an optional door would be. This is not an important distinction.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Statistically it might be safe, but the vast majority of people are still going to make decisions based on perceived risk. As a customer, how else can you send your feedback to Boeing (and the airlines) that this level of perceived risk is unacceptable? It's clear there are issues at the company and Boeing is unlikely to respond unless there are financial consequences.

Call me a betting man, but I'd be willing to bet yet even more money that at least 95% of people don't even know what plane they're getting on during their trip. And of that 5% left, only a handful people would rebook their flights at an increased expense of money/time to signal to Boeing that 737 max is unsafe. The handful of people doing it are bordering on virtue signaling. With that said, however, I really dislik…

Yeah, it's 100% a shitty situation for the customer. I personally haven't checked the plane ahead of time for any of my flights, but with all the recent failures/headlines I am much more inclined to do so. Not out of virtue signalling, but out of my own peace of mind.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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Alternate, non Twitter, link. https://katu.com/news/local/alaska-airlines-flight-1282-retu...

The nomenclature is interesting. In my mind, a "depressurization event" would imply that the biggest problem was the depressurization. In other words, that there was not a big gaping structural hole. If there can be a big hole in the plane and we can call that a "depressurization event", I would like to advocate for changing how we describe this.

Disturbing the peace? I got thrown out of a window! What's the fucking charge for getting pushed out of a moving car, huh? Jaywalking?
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