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Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by richliss »

mort96 wrote: post #202
Osmose wrote: post #187

Worrying about Mozilla CEO compensation when 1. Mitchell Baker is also chairwoman of the board of the Mozilla Foundation and is a founding member of Mozilla, and receives no stock compensation because there is none to give, 2. Google can definitionally outspend Mozilla on browser development and has used that to cement their market position for over a decade now, and 3. as long as Google is the primary source of Mozi…

I think the general critique is: the performance of a CEO should be tied somehow to the performance of the company, yet year after year, the company performs worse while CEO compensation goes up.

I currently pay for Pocket but will be moving away from it because I can't stand that the Mozilla CEO is running the place like her own private fiefdom/piggy bank. A 23% pay rise is absolutely nuts considering the performance.

I genuinely think that Mozilla will have to go out of business before she will step down.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by soundnote »

phpisthebest wrote: post #33
anonymousab wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They likely view the idea off competing with Chrome - a key chess piece of the company keeping Mozilla around merely as a pet to ward of regulators - as impossible if not counterproductive to their mid-term survival at this point. Which is to say, at some point they might become annoying enough for Google to not want to pay them anymore, and then Mozilla would cease to exist shortly thereafter. So with that in mind,…

No absolutely not... That would be the worst thing for the web. Blink is objectively bad in the first place, and we need more than just chromiumum skins in the market. I wish they would finish and move to Servo. I wish Brave or some of the other Chromium Skins would become Firefox based. Everyone consolidating down to Blink and Chromium is about the worst thing that could happen to anyone that desires an open Web

Brave actually started out as a Gecko-based project - they were using some Gecko-based Electron equivalent, if memory serves. It was such a PITA to work with that they switched to a Chromium base.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by soundnote »

VancouverMan wrote: post #231
macspoofing wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I wish Brave or some of the other Chromium Skins would become Firefox based. This hurts because Firefox should have been that embedded framework powering browsers like Brave and electron apps. But that would have required them to invest in R&D to match performance but also to make their rendering engine easily embeddable (with a corresponding investment in documentation and outreach).

> This hurts because Firefox should have been that embedded framework powering browsers like Brave and electron apps. Years ago, Gecko had at least some support for being embedded within native applications. This was apparently discontinued around 2011, though: https://web.archive.org/web/20110403052816/http://www.h-onli... https://web.archive.org/web/20210723183100/https://groups.go... At that time, there were a num…

There was a XULRunner-based media player too, I used it for a good while:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbird_(software)

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by TheNewsIsHere »

duped wrote: post #182
Semaphor wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I posted some stats from our website a few weeks ago [0], GA was heavily undercounting FF compared to our server-side stats based on UAs. One other thing to remember, is to check the falling of desktop usage, because a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. [0]: https://news.ycombi…

Is GA counting Firefox on iOS as Firefox or Safari?

iOS includes the requesting application’s name in the UA string. You could use that to measure Firefox on iOS usage.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by dougmwne »

erulabs wrote: post #132
dougmwne wrote: post #107

Wow, nearly 7 million. That’s incredible for a nonprofit CEO. Much, much large orgs have CEOs that get paid 10-15x less. This should be criminal. The taxpayers are being stolen from.

Nonprofit does not necessarily mean taxpayer subsidized.

That’s exactly what a 501(c)(3) is. While nonprofits do not receive actual funding from the US government, unless in the form of grants, there is a revenue cost to the government due to lost tax revenues. We have given these orgs tax exempt status so that they may serve the public good, not the third homes of their executive staff.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by dougmwne »

SoftTalker wrote: post #147
dougmwne wrote: post #107

Wow, nearly 7 million. That’s incredible for a nonprofit CEO. Much, much large orgs have CEOs that get paid 10-15x less. This should be criminal. The taxpayers are being stolen from.

The CEO is paying income tax on that, presumably.

A for-profit corporation would also pay taxes on profits. A 501(c)(3) is a special class of org exempt from taxes due to the benefit it presumably provides to the public.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by dougmwne »

asadotzler wrote: post #260
dougmwne wrote: post #107

Wow, nearly 7 million. That’s incredible for a nonprofit CEO. Much, much large orgs have CEOs that get paid 10-15x less. This should be criminal. The taxpayers are being stolen from.

Mozilla Corporation is not a non-profit. It engages in many business relationships and brings in about half a billion dollars a year. How much should the founder-CEO of a 25 year old company with half a billion a year in revenue be making?

No, the Mozilla Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation. It’s a paper vehicle for their activities not permitted under their 501(c)(3) status. Many nonprofits run a 501(c)(4) in a similar way to separate their non-permitted lobbying activities.

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Post by mehdix »

mrazomor wrote: post #171
Semaphor wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I posted some stats from our website a few weeks ago [0], GA was heavily undercounting FF compared to our server-side stats based on UAs. One other thing to remember, is to check the falling of desktop usage, because a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. [0]: https://news.ycombi…

> a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. I'm a Chrome user. Both on desktop and mobile because of the built in syncing. If I were able to switch to Firefox mobile (Android), I would. But the rendering is often broken or awkwardly different on Firefox mobile. I thought this is a t…

Interestingly one reason I use firefox is because of its builtin synching. My tabs, bookmarks, and passwords are synced. Extensions could also sync their preferences (not sure about data). I also heavily use their "send tab to device" feature, which allows me to send tabs to specific devices to act on them later.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by hooverd »

sgift wrote: post #163
ForkMeOnTinder wrote: post #141

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I don't know what I'd do if Firefox died. Maybe it's time Firefox starts diversifying itself away from Mozilla.

And with which business model? That's the elephant in the room here. If it's only about unpaid developers, Firefox already has these currently in addition to the Mozilla employees, but if it wants to stay relevant it needs paid developers working on it full-time.

Firefox isn't allowed to make money. Firefox developers should eat gruel and wear hairshirts and develop software for free. And also bring back XUL.
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