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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by peterfirefly »

FredPret wrote: post #328
exitb wrote: post #278

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Their valuation is three times larger than Toyota, yet they manufacture only 10% as much cars a year. It’s still deeply rooted in hopes of future expansion and innovations, lack of which they might not survive.

You’re right that they have a juicy valuation. But it’s about number of dollars made, not cars. And on that metric Tesla is on par with GM and ahead of Ford. I don’t know about Toyota. https://valustox.com/F https://valustox.com/GM https://valustox.com/TSLA

They sold about 1/8 the cars Toyota did in 2022 but they also made about 8x the profit per car. And Toyota has a huge debt load whereas Tesla had money in the bank + was growing + FSD will Soon™ be here (and if/when it does, Tesla's profits will explode) + there's the energy business + there will probably be something like AWS for AI in a year or three.

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Post by Geisterde »

lawn wrote: post #322
Geisterde wrote: post #299

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Cant be? You can take agency over your own life today and start looking at the road. Autopilot is a wonderful tool, I use it every day and it considerably reduces exhaustion, I dont care about this white rabbit of level 5 self driving. The car tells you to watch the road, tesla did their part, if someone causes an accident by not watching the road, they should be held accountable the same as anyone else.

Watching the road simply isn't enough. You need to be alert and ready, which is countered by the system that lulls you into a false sense of security and makes you doze off. "Tesla did their part" is such a lazy cop out.

Thats like saying shoes give you a false sense of security, perhaps, but its still your responsibility that you werent watching for a nail sticking up, its not nikes fault for making a good feeling shoe. User error.

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Post by rightbyte »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #295
demondemidi wrote: post #97

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Were they luxury cars, like teslas?

> Were they luxury cars, like teslas? Teslas are priced as luxury cars but they aren't luxury cars. They have strong selling points, like the amazing battery compared to other EVs or their looks (I do find the Model S very nice / sleek) but the quality of the interior/materials and sound proofing simply isn't there, not by a mile. Here's a list, for example, of some actual luxury cars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F…

Tesla had the first mover advantage on offering EVs. I don't think they will be able to charge the premium going forwards compared to say Mercedes and still have the low quality interior and general mechanical quality at Dacia level.

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Post by [deleted] »

lnsru wrote: post #18
hef19898 wrote: post #15

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Assuming this, no scheduled services, is Tesla policy, it is very well possible that Tesla doesn't have task lists in place for said checks. Which would be bad...

Tesla has some recommendations in user manual. I almost bought model y. So I saw, that there is recommendation to check brakes after winter and salty roads or something alike. I also guess, that any other repair shop could do generic check as well. Teslas have brakes, suspensions, brake fluids and many other “normal” parts.

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Post by kbos87 »

ryukoposting wrote: post #236
bayindirh wrote: post #110

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I think Tesla embodies the SV mindset very well, even demonstrates it in a tangible form. They move fast and break things.

Do they move fast, though? The Model S is ancient history now, and the Model X is aging too. Both models are in need of a successor.

What about Model 3 and Model Y? Would you say the same thing aout any other manufacturer that has kept a particular model around?

All that aside, Tesla's approach is to have a few overall form factors and to innovate in software. The hardware is fine and matters a lot less.

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Post by roflyear »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #45
cyberax wrote: post #29

Tesla cars are interesting. The drivetrain and the battery are very reliable and will likely be never need service. But everything else is shitty. The construction quality, random breakages, neverending rattles are annoying. My Tesla spent more time in service than my partner's Toyota, and this includes regular oil changes.

This makes me a feel a lot better about choosing a Toyota over a Tesla back in 2019. The one unforgivable thing about the Toyota is the infotainment system. What a blight on humanity. But otherwise, such a great car. I’ve never really liked cars until this thing. It’s so comfortable, reliable, cheap to maintain, and makes all of our trips like camping and mountain biking such a joy. The Tesla would have been such a h…

Right? It's remarkable seeing people here defending Tesla while saying "I've only had a few major issues in four years"

I've had a Hyundai for ten years and literally crashed it into a tree and it had no major issues for five years after that (and I gave it away and it ran for another five until it protected someone from a head on collision!). Now I'm on a ten year old Honda and haven't don't anything except regular maintenance.

It's wild to see people saying they have only had a few issues with a car a couple of years old. That's a problem!!

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Post by myko »

linsomniac wrote: post #270
bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

I don't know, man, my 2016 Model S has been lower maintenance than any of my past or current cars, with the exception of our RAV-4 which has way, way lower miles on it (90K vs 30K). So, YMMV. It's a bummer because with Elon's antics I don't see myself owning another Tesla, but my experience so far has been great.

Lucky you, a month out of warranty mine had an issue that was $1000 to fix. It was, IMO, clearly a manufacturing defect they should have handled but did not. It was really fun being stuck at a grocery store with my infant in below-freezing temperatures with a car that would not start!

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Post by hef19898 »

arpinum wrote: post #320
uxp8u61q wrote: post #218

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How is this not an indication of quality? They're not inspecting cars for kicks and giggles, they're inspecting them to make sure you're not hurtling a death device that will kill you and fellow drivers on the autobahn.

Because faults can include items such as the first aid kit expired, tyre inflator expired, headlights out of alignment, a crack in the windshield wiper, worn tyres, worn brakes, or low washer fluid. These are not initial build quality issues.

All that is a defect, not all of which fail the inspection. Tesla Model 3s fail, among other things, tires, suspension and brakes, aka the stuff that holds a car on the road.

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Post by roflyear »

Dinux wrote: post #32

Sofar I've owned 4 Tesla cars and never had any serious issues that were not addressed immediately. My current Model Y had a cracked roof, they replaced the glass within a couple or hours. Here in The Netherlands inspections are mandatory for all cars every 1/2 years. I've noticed the tires may not be as durable as they should be but no idea how they stack up against another EV. Anything you use and use a lot needs m…

Having any serious issues with a few years old car is a problem. Id consider that a lemon. If you've had that experience multiple times from the same manufacturer...

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Post by beedeebeedee »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #257
lucideer wrote: post #252

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> on a path towards electrified transport If not for Tesla, America (& the Western world in general) might not be on a path towards private inefficient electrified road transport, leaving much more room for investment in & upselling of vastly more sustainable non-road transport, as has been done in China. Musk in particular has form here - consistently blocking & derailing all potential high-speed rail projects for t…

> derailing all potential high-speed rail projects for the west coast Musk ran California’s high-speed rail through the Central Valley? I like public transport. But America isn’t built for it. Switching to trains would mean upending and dissolving tens of millions’ communities. There was no other path without EVs and trains galore; it was—and is—between EVs and ICE cars.

> I like public transport. But America isn’t built for it.

You mean, America was un-built from it. We had it, but the car and oil industry lobbied it away. We can rebuild it. Don't believe the hype.

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