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Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by Aeolun »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #317

This is something people have to relearn over and over again. A lot of the people who are not upset with Meta limiting opinions and content related to the war in Gaza¹. Were gloating and happy when Meta limited opinions and content from right wing politicians² not so long ago. Once you invite censorship for content you dont like, how can you expect it wont bite you in the ass later on. This is why freedom of speech i…

I think the problem with the right wing politicians was that they were presenting their warped view of reality as fact?

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Post by riku_iki »

Chris2048 wrote: post #160
riku_iki wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that person didn't provide source of information. Likely this is data from local authorities, aka Hamas.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67347201 https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-many-palestini...

Both of your links say that data came from Hamas:

"The Hamas-run health ministry is Gaza's official source for death numbers"

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by echelon »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #317

This is something people have to relearn over and over again. A lot of the people who are not upset with Meta limiting opinions and content related to the war in Gaza¹. Were gloating and happy when Meta limited opinions and content from right wing politicians² not so long ago. Once you invite censorship for content you dont like, how can you expect it wont bite you in the ass later on. This is why freedom of speech i…

"Freedom of speech for me, not for thee."

Those at both sides of the political horseshoe [1] want it this way, and do not believe the pendulum will swing out of their favor.

The best way to enshrine this in society is with new legislation to protect our means of communication (won't happen) or robust P2P social protocols (also probably won't happen).

Remember that the ACLU used to defend everyone. Even distasteful groups such as the KKK, neo-Nazis, Nation of Islam, NAMBLA, Westboro Baptist Church. And that's what it takes to defend free speech. Defending even the speech and the people you don't like.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by ipaddr »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #250
ipaddr wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Genuinely asking… what has worked in getting hostages beyond the temporary peace deal? I saw Israel had already accidentally shot their own hostages who managed to escape Hamas. In a war like that, how can Israel even free the hostages by this dropping bombs method, if the hostages get out they will be shot by their own military?

The one thing that has worked is bombing and overwhelming them into temporary ceasefire solder exchange.

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Post by [deleted] »

cratermoon wrote: post #244
dang wrote: post #165

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Users are flagging them. I don't think it's hard to understand why: it's a divisive and flameprone topic. Two positions that people urge us to take (different people, obviously) are (1) treat it as off topic and flag everything; or (2) have no limits, which means letting it dominate the front page. Neither of these positions are viable for HN. For reasons why I say that, see past explanations at https://hn.algolia.co…

Thank you dang for allowing this discussion. Our profession needs to wrestle with issues like this openly, and do so in a respectful way in the spirit of John Milton and John Stewart Mill.

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Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by fourseventy »

Aeolun wrote: post #341
ThinkBeat wrote: post #317

This is something people have to relearn over and over again. A lot of the people who are not upset with Meta limiting opinions and content related to the war in Gaza¹. Were gloating and happy when Meta limited opinions and content from right wing politicians² not so long ago. Once you invite censorship for content you dont like, how can you expect it wont bite you in the ass later on. This is why freedom of speech i…

I think the problem with the right wing politicians was that they were presenting their warped view of reality as fact?

As if the left wing politicians dont also present warped facts.

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by Aeolun »

sudosysgen wrote: post #303
dlubarov wrote: post #263

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I agree Israel ought to be able to prevent similar ground invasions, but what about rockets? The Iron Dome has been relatively effective so far, but the technological gap won't last forever. Hamas has already acquired rockets like the Fajr-5, despite the blockade. Once they start using guidance systems, the destruction will be much greater, and 90% interception rate won't be good enough. Even if Israel could limit th…

How would guidance systems increase the destruction? If anything, history has shown that precision weapons tend to reduce civilian casualties - there isn't much of a point building a single precision guided missile, instead of 100 imprecise dumb rockets, when your goal is terror bombing (the calculus is slightly different for bombs, however). > Even if Israel could limit the damage in the long term, it doesn't seem p…

> the vast majority of Palestinians in the West Bank have been tolerating repeated attacks for decades now

I’m fairly certain it’s more an inability to respond in any effective way.

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by tdeck »

ipaddr wrote: post #344
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuinely asking… what has worked in getting hostages beyond the temporary peace deal? I saw Israel had already accidentally shot their own hostages who managed to escape Hamas. In a war like that, how can Israel even free the hostages by this dropping bombs method, if the hostages get out they will be shot by their own military?

The one thing that has worked is bombing and overwhelming them into temporary ceasefire solder exchange.

The hostages themselves have said they were most afraid of being killed by the IDF's bombing campaign.

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by karim79 »

sgregnt wrote: post #330
ThinkBeat wrote: post #317

This is something people have to relearn over and over again. A lot of the people who are not upset with Meta limiting opinions and content related to the war in Gaza¹. Were gloating and happy when Meta limited opinions and content from right wing politicians² not so long ago. Once you invite censorship for content you dont like, how can you expect it wont bite you in the ass later on. This is why freedom of speech i…

[flagged]

There needs to be a a new button on the various social media channels. One click and it fills a reply with:

"One can advocate for the Palestinian State and the rights of its people, seeking a peaceful and fair resolution to the conflict, without being aligned with Hamas.

Furthermore, employing a false dichotomy, where one is either labeled as a supporter of a cause or, or that of an extremist group, is counter-productive. It oversimplifies complex issues and stifles meaningful dialogue."

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by tomjakubowski »

riku_iki wrote: post #342
Chris2048 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67347201 https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-many-palestini...

Both of your links say that data came from Hamas: "The Hamas-run health ministry is Gaza's official source for death numbers"

The article continues to explain that Gaza health ministry casualty counts for past conflicts have been confirmed after the fact by third party international organizations, like the WHO.

The records they release include names, genders, ages and ID numbers of deceased people. If you claim the data is fake then you should be able to identify some made-up deaths in it.

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