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The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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If you haven’t, I’d suggest you visit a large or mid size city in a prosperous north Midwest state like Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, South Dakota, etc. People I know from the East Coast that have visited are typically floored by the quality of life in flyover country. Everything we have is new, life is affordable, top performing schools and communities are growing. The local governments are generally growth oriented w…

> a large or mid size city in a prosperous north Midwest state Which city?

It seems they gave you enough information: Minneapolis, Madison, Des Moines, Sioux Falls, Cedar Rapids.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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It wasn't just the elderly. Pretty much anyone over 50 was at higher risk. I'll point out again, covid killed over 1 million people in the US alone. That doesn't even account for the ~ 10% of infected who got stuck with the lingering effects of long covid. Yeah, we asked kids to attend school remotely from home. Some didn't have parents that kept them on task, and suffered. The pandemic was hard on everyone, but even…

My child's classmate has a mother who has only one lung, and that one lung is barely functional. If she catches COVID, she will certainly be in the ICU. As a class, we all worried about her mother during the entire pandemic.

So maybe students in that situation can do remote education and then everyone else does normal, more effective, in-person education?

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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> The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity. Or you could reasonably conclude that the policies enacted during COVID are yet another example of how we prioritize the elderly over children in the United States, arguably because children don't vote and the elderly do.…

>another example of how we prioritize the elderly over children in the United States, arguably because children don't vote and the elderly do. Or arguably because death is final, death came for the elderly more than the children with this disease, and we were trying to save lives. We can debate the philosophy of saving people near end of life vs. allowing children to continue with close-contact education. But it's re…

> Or arguably because death is final, death came for the elderly more than the children with this disease

Death always comes for the elderly though. The metric of "years of high quality life saved" is important to apply here.

I was all for the shutdowns starting in March 2020, and was arguing in favor of it, but it then went on for way too long. NYC schools remained closed until fall 2021, and even then they kept shutting down individually for awhile afterwards as part of the COVID protocol. In hindsight it went on for way too long.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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> I have a question for people who say this: Have you ever actually lived in any metropolitan area outside New York? For me, Chicago and Boston. I spent a ton of time hanging out in SF between 2008-2015 when I worked for a startup out there. I've spent a lot of time in LA for both work and pleasure. [edit] I also spent a lot of time in Miami for work at one point in my life. And yeah, to me it's true. There's really…

Can you get to some specifics? Specifically, what is in NYC that you cannot possibly get in Chicago for example?

Not the OP but as someone who grew up in Chicago, but then spent a large time in NYC, here are some examples:

1. Talent Density: Chicago is optimized talent-wise at a regional level (the midwest), while NYC is optimized at a global level. Chicago simply doesn't have the same pull if you don't live in the midwest the way NYC does for folks living anywhere across the world. This creates an obvious talent gap.

2. Culture: Chicago operates as a much more of an all-American city, reflecting cultural attitudes not too dissimilar from the rest of the country. Examples here include a heavy sports culture, emphasis on drinking/going out. You see a similar trend with NYC transplants (like myself in my early 20's) but you're eventually forced to grow out of it in NYC and create a more unique and diversified identity. I haven't seen much of this in my social circle from Chicago who never left.

3. Industry Density: Chicago is considered top at a few select industries including insurance, commodities etc. OTOH, there are very few industries that NYC would not be considered top in. Strong talent begets strong talent and this creates the sort of network effect that's present in the bay (for tech), and in NYC, but not in Chicago minus a few industries. These network efforts, over a long enough timeframe, fundamentally alter the landscape of one's career.

4. Local v.s. global maxima: Chicago allows you to reach a relatively easier maxima (career or culture wise), which likely means Chicagoans are happier on average. That concept doesn't exist in NYC or the bay. It pushes you to reach a global maxima which is inherently more challenging. For example, getting a job at Google likely sets you for life in Chicago. In NYC or the bay, that's simply a starting point. This isn't for the faint of heart but is highly rewarding if you're ambitious and work-oriented.

5. Arts and Fashion: The same concept of local v.s. global maxima exists here too.

6. Food: Far more global and unique in NYC than in Chicago (which in-itself has great food)

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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>Overall, the study shows that approximately 1 out of 500 children in the United States has experienced COVID-19-associated orphanhood or death of a grandparent caregiver. What about the other 499 children who missed 2+ years of in-person classes?

they'll make it up. nothing is going to magically bring a dead parent back.

>they'll make it up

That remains to be seen. The 2022 PISA tests suggests that in developed countries, children have missed on the equivalent of 0.5-0.75 of a year's worth of learning.

[1] https://www.economist.com/international/2023/12/05/the-pande...

> nothing is going to magically bring a dead parent back.

nothing is going to magically bring back those years either, for all 500 students.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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>Overall, the study shows that approximately 1 out of 500 children in the United States has experienced COVID-19-associated orphanhood or death of a grandparent caregiver. What about the other 499 children who missed 2+ years of in-person classes?

I asked my two kids and they would rather have their parents.

Ah yes, kids who famously care about their educational attainment and are experts on education related policies and outcomes.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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I'm just a lost epistemologist seeking truth in whatever dirty alleyway I find myself in.

> and teens You (and cnn/everytown/giffords) use the word kids to imply toddlers are getting shot with glocks when a majority of those are "teen" gangbangers in chicago/baltimore/detroit/LA killing each other. I wouldn't call the thing you are seeking truth. Why do you have to lie? Just say you want to ban guns.

Hahaha I do not want to ban guns outright(I will leave it as an open question whether I have guns in my own domicile). Why do you want to imbue my use of statistics with an agenda you think I support? I do think we should resume a strict interpretation of the 2nd amendment (specifically "well-regulated militia") if we want to claim an originalist view of the Constitution. And I am also in favor of regulating harmful substances so that humans can interoperate in society, while still allowing trained humans access to useful tools for manipulating the universe.

Furthermore, these humans that you choose to label as '"teen" gangbangers' also deserve compassion and the opportunity to live in peace.

Lastly, as a student of epistemology, I am acutely aware of the slippery nature of truth and dare not suppose to be the arbiter of Truth. But I suppose whatever I find, where I find it, will have to do. I'm more likely to find it in a Crackerjack box than this thread, however. (I do also take umbrage at being called a liar in this context too but I forgive you.)

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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I have pondered about it for over a decade. Our societies drastically prioritize the elderly over the young. They are the ones with political power, after all. Here’s an easy example: why does the US pay doctors more via Medicare (for people over 65) than via Medicaid (for poorer people, including kids).

That's not a great example. One is a single payer system funded by workers and the other is government welfare. Plus, the elderly can be on both programs simultaneously. If anything, this is an example of money influencing politics since the people who have been paying those taxes for Medicare are more likely to donate to politicians than people who require Medicaid.

> If anything, this is an example of money influencing politics since the people who have been paying those taxes for Medicare are more likely to donate to politicians than people who require Medicaid.

That is what I wrote, the elderly have more political power.

The same legislature that allocates society’s resources towards healthcare for people age 65+ also chooses to allocate less resources to people who happen to be poor (or have poor parents).

The Additional Medicare Tax is another lovely reminder of how society’s resources, because funnily enough, even though it has been widely known Medicaid does not even pay enough to keep the lights on, there is no Additional Medicaid Tax.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

Agree. Food wise it's wild too. What used to be the price of an entres is now the price of an appetizer and the service have gotten down too. Getting a place you actually want to live 2 bedrooms is at least $4K we pay much more because we live in a nice building. But it's still a great city and I am sure somethings gotta give.

Yeah I saw a french onion soup for $15 the other day. Lol.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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In my anecdotal experience, there is a sizable chunk of people who stayed within a couple of hours drive of the city but moved farther out to save money. Towns up the Hudson Valley, Westchester, "Greater Woodstock", Long Island, Conn/Mass/NJ. If the only reason you are paying all that rent money for that tiny apartment is so you can take the subway to work, and you can work from Yonkers over Zoom just as well, why no…

The food, the people, the theater, the music, the buildings, the parks, the museums, the rivers, the beach. The current that’s always pushing you out, which force you to grow or leave. Collectively, “the energy”. If it’s only an expensive studio apartment that’s keeping one here, I agree, they should save the cash and make room for the rest of us.

But, for many people, a lot of "the energy" comes from a day or two per month.
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