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Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by hot_gril »

abustamam wrote: post #331
hot_gril wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is paid MS Teams is more or less common than paid GSuite? It's hard to find stats on this. GSuite is the better product IMO, but MS has a stronger b2b reputation, and anecdotally I hear more about people using Teams.

Does anyone use paid GSuite for anything other than docs/drive/Gmail ? In all companies I've worked at, we've used GSuite exclusively for those, and used slack/discord for chat, and zoom/discord for video/meetings. I know that MS Teams is a more full-featured product suite, but even at companies that used it, we still used Zoom for meetings.

GSuite for calendar makes sense too. Chat sucks, and Meet would be decent if it weren't so laggy, but those are two things you can easily not use.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by holoduke »

DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

They are an ads company. Focus is never on "core" products.

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Post by Davidzheng »

modeless wrote: post #257
janalsncm wrote: post #237

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The point of “verbalizing” the chain of thought isn’t that it’s the most effective method. And frankly I don’t think it matters that humans think non verbally. The goal isn’t to create a human in a box. Verbalizing the chain of thought allows us to audit the thought process, and also create further labels for training.

No, the point of verbalizing the chain of thought is that it's all we know how to do right now. > And frankly I don’t think it matters that humans think non verbally You're right, that's not the reason non-verbal is better, but it is evidence that non-verbal is probably better. I think the reason it's better is that language is extremely lossy and ambiguous, which makes a poor medium for reasoning and precise thinkin…

I mean a lot of problems are amenable to subdivision into parts where the process of each part is not needed for the other parts. It's not even clear that humans usually hold in memory all of process of the previous parts especially the it won't be used later.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by hot_gril »

b112 wrote: post #333
hot_gril wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is paid MS Teams is more or less common than paid GSuite? It's hard to find stats on this. GSuite is the better product IMO, but MS has a stronger b2b reputation, and anecdotally I hear more about people using Teams.

Teams will likely still be around in 20 years. I doubt gsuite will exist in 5... or even 1.

GSuite has existed since 2006, so it's not like Google lacks focus on it.

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Post by rurp »

w10-1 wrote: post #295
DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

Isn't it always easier to learn from others' mistakes? Google has the problem that it's typically the first to encounter a problem, and it has the resources to approach it (from search), but the incentive to monetize it (to get away from depending entirely on search revenue). And, management.

I don't know if that really excuses Google in this case because it's a productization problem. Google never tried to release a ChatGPT competitor until after OpenAI had. OpenAI has been wildly successful as the first mover, despite having to blaze some new product trails. Even after months of watching them and with near-infinite resources, Google is still struggling to catch up.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

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Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by lemmsjid »

modeless wrote: post #94

That's not the only thing wrong. Gemini makes a false statement in the video, serving as a great demonstration of how these models still outright lie so frequently, so casually, and so convincingly that you won't notice, even if you have a whole team of researchers and video editors reviewing the output. It's the single biggest problem with LLMs and Gemini isn't solving it. You simply can't rely on them when correctn…

I did some reading and it seems that rubber's relative density to water has to do with its manufacturing process. I see a couple of different quotes on the specific gravity of so-called 'natural rubber', and most claim it's lower than water.

Am I missing something?

I asked both Bard (Gemini at this point I think?) and GPT-4 why ducks float, and they both seemed accurate: they talked about the density of the material plus the increased buoyancy from air pockets and went into depth on the principles behind buoyancy. When pressed they went into the fact that "rubber"'s density varies by the process and what it was adulterated with, and if it was foamed.

I think this was a matter of the video being a brief summary rather than a falsehood. But please do point out if I'm wrong on the rubber bit, I'm genuinely interested.

I agree that hallucinations are the biggest problems with LLMs, I'm just seeing them get less commonplace and clumsy. Though, to your point, that can make them harder to detect!

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by lern_too_spel »

DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

I was with you until the Tesla hot take. I'd bet dollars to donuts that Tesla doesn't get to level 4 by the end of the decade. Waymo is already there.

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Post by b112 »

modeless wrote: post #94

That's not the only thing wrong. Gemini makes a false statement in the video, serving as a great demonstration of how these models still outright lie so frequently, so casually, and so convincingly that you won't notice, even if you have a whole team of researchers and video editors reviewing the output. It's the single biggest problem with LLMs and Gemini isn't solving it. You simply can't rely on them when correctn…

Devil's advocate. It is made of a material less dense than water. Air.

It certainly isn't how I would phrase it, and I wouldn't count air as what something is made of, but...

Soda pop is chocked full of air, it's part of it! And I'd say carbon dioxide is a part of the recipe, of pop.

So it's a confusing world for a young LLM.

(I realise it may have referenced rubber prior, but it may have meant air... again, Devil's advocate)

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Post by robertlagrant »

ren_engineer wrote: post #338
DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

>Google Docs created in 2006 tech was based on an acquired company, Google just abused their search monopoly to make it more popular(same thing they did with YT). This has been the strategy for every service they've ever made, Google really hasn't launched a decent in-house product since Gmail and even that was grown using their search monopoly as free advertising >Google Docs originated from Writely, a web-based wor…

> Google really hasn't launched a decent in-house product since Gmail

What about Chrome? And Chromebooks?

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