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Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by musictubes »

throwuwu wrote: post #333
CubsFan1060 wrote: post #259

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What does winning mean in this context? If we take this to an extreme, doesn't content just not get made? Do you think Google is going to go to a model where things are freely accessible without ads? Feels like even when a company provides a way to get rid of ads, many people still won't pay. They _say_ they will, but I find often people will want to substitute their own terms (Well, youtube premium is $x, but I thin…

Sure and platforms _say_ they will give you an ad free experience if you pay them a monthly fee but they always wind up adding ads once they’ve captured their audience.

So you don’t support them because of what they might do later? That’s insane. Support the platforms you like right now. If they get worse you stop supporting them. “Captured” is such a dramatic term. Nothing stops a person from walking away from a video service.

Can’t help but think the worry about future ads is simply rationalization for pirating now.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by jacquesm »

bko wrote: post #287
jacquesm wrote: post #266

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> If we take this to an extreme, doesn't content just not get made? I can't speak for anybody else but my content will still get made. > Do you think Google is going to go to a model where things are freely accessible without ads? Maybe, maybe not, whose to say what Google will do. Maybe they will value the influence or the goodwill more than the lack of income. Maybe some of the content will be free and other bits w…

YouTube is incredibly expensive to run which explains why there's such little competition. Think about it, anyone can host gigs of videos perpetually indexed for free. What percentage of videos have fewer than 100 views? Google has killed off profitable projects. If you think they'll dump tens of billions every year hosting videos that no one watches, you're kidding yourself. And what we noticed with paying is that p…

I think I have a pretty good idea of what it costs to run a video site. Check my bio if you think you have something to explain to me on that front.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by nightski »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #299
idiotsecant wrote: post #293

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The people that create the content you consume only have so many hours in the day, just like you. They need to pay the rent, buy groceries, get their kids braces, just like the test of us. It seems immoral and unrealistic to expect that for free. Consume it and support them or don't consume it and don't support them but the attitude that you're entitled to it is a little slimy.

Huh? Why would it be immoral? I'm producing free content myself, e.g. my open source repositories have permissive licenses like MIT, I run a blog, have put some of my music online, etc. Seriously, chances are almost 100% percent that you are massively benefiting right now from completely free of charge software that some guys developed for free in their spare time (perhaps even decades ago) - how immoral of you!

I'm not the parent and would not say it's immoral but being able to produce content for free is a form of privilege. Not everyone has that luxury. Let's face it we live in a time where engineers make an absurd amount of money for the services they provide.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by jacquesm »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #281
jacquesm wrote: post #266

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> If we take this to an extreme, doesn't content just not get made? I can't speak for anybody else but my content will still get made. > Do you think Google is going to go to a model where things are freely accessible without ads? Maybe, maybe not, whose to say what Google will do. Maybe they will value the influence or the goodwill more than the lack of income. Maybe some of the content will be free and other bits w…

> I can't speak for anybody else but my content will still get made. How will your content get served? If you say you'll just pay to serve it, I think that's a fine answer.

The 10 views my videos get I can afford. Just like I can afford my web hosting.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by jacquesm »

dageshi wrote: post #291
jacquesm wrote: post #279

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To know whether that is unreasonable or not you'd have to compare it to the cost of providing you that service, taking into account that youtube is just a delivery mechanism and so is infrastructure , not content. And what is or is not affordable is really dependent on where you live and that kind of money is a very large amount in some places. And especially in those places access to youtube for educational purposes…

Youtube premium also pays out the content creators you watch in lieu of the ads you don't watch does it not? At least that was my understanding. If so it's not just the infrastructure cost which itself is not trivial for a site like youtube.

Infrastructure costs are such that they're a rounding error on the total google budget.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by coldpie »

davedx wrote: post #190
kmlx wrote: post #30

what i’m reading from these comments: we will do anything, including leaving youtube, but for sure we will not be either watching ads or paying for content.

The problem is, how these things sometimes go is: you are fed up of ads so you start paying them. Then a year or two later you get ads as a paying user too. There’s a long history of paid products doing this. Look at Windows, Smart TVs, etc…

I've been a paying YouTube user since it was called YouTube Red (remember that? lol) in 2014 and they haven't shown any sign of introducing ads. So that's almost a decade, versus your "year or two".

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by jacquesm »

gpderetta wrote: post #292
CubsFan1060 wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does winning mean in this context? If we take this to an extreme, doesn't content just not get made? Do you think Google is going to go to a model where things are freely accessible without ads? Feels like even when a company provides a way to get rid of ads, many people still won't pay. They _say_ they will, but I find often people will want to substitute their own terms (Well, youtube premium is $x, but I thin…

Youtube and friends only have themselves to blame: the tighter they turn the ad screw the more people they push to ad blockers. We went from a single tolerable, skippable 5 seconds ad segment to multiple unskipable very long segments in just a few years. I say this as someone who pays for YouTube Premium.

And that's before we get into the content of the ads themselves, which is beyond insulting.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by jacquesm »

mavhc wrote: post #327
wruza wrote: post #309

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First they destroyed the old internet by “forgetting” sites from search and created “platforms”. Then they abused adnetworks to take the biggest share and control over what users can do or will likely do with their user agents. Then they degraded every site and product searchability into ads-favored keyword matching. Then, when people started using their well-setup cardboard box traps to their taste, they demanded to…

And yet still they're the most popular sites, why hasn't everyone moved to an objectively better solution?

Inertia, convenience.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by jacquesm »

galangalalgol wrote: post #300
smallerfish wrote: post #289

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> If we take this to an extreme, doesn't content just not get made? I'd argue that _content_ is a fairly gross word that we've all come to use because we're in the industry -- "I need some _content_ around my ads so that we get some impressions". There are plenty of other words that are less marketing associated and more clearly connotative with creatively produced material - article, report, essay, story, paper, pro…

Video as a format seems drastically overused to me. When I go to the internet to find some information, I either get ai generated essays of great length and no substance, or a link to YouTube. I'm not wasting my time watching a video even if it is sped up, just to learn something that could have been cleanly represented as a short document. If more people start using documents instead of videos where they stare at yo…

Agreed, nothing more annoying than a video where a 10 line web page would suffice. And google - coincidentally, of course - ranks that video much higher than the 10 line webpage.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by throw10920 »

account42 wrote: post #310
idiotsecant wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people that create the content you consume only have so many hours in the day, just like you. They need to pay the rent, buy groceries, get their kids braces, just like the test of us. It seems immoral and unrealistic to expect that for free. Consume it and support them or don't consume it and don't support them but the attitude that you're entitled to it is a little slimy.

No, making every human exchange a financial transaction is gross. Making that transaction indirect via psychological manipulation using intermediaries is even worse. Discover better ways to support people who do useful work. Or rather, re-discover them since they are older than ads.

> making every human exchange a financial transaction is gross

You seem to think that YouTube is "every human exchange". I'm going to let that speak for itself.

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