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Charging a lithium battery to 80% only?

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Re: Charging a lithium battery to 80% only?

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I can highly recommend ACC (and the ACCA app [1] for setup). It lets me limit my phone to 90% charge with the ability to ignore the limit temporarily when I need to. That's very useful for fixing the battery calibration, which can go bad when using ACC. It has reduced my battery wear by 40-50% according to Accubattery's capacity graph. [1] https://github.com/MatteCarra/AccA

A few people in this thread have recommended it but you need a rooted phone for this, right?

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By default my Pixel will slow charge when I set it down at the end of the day and be at 100% when my alarm goes off in the morning.

If you go to bed late, wake up early, need to charge for a few minutes at a party, etc, android slow charge at best doesn't work, and at worst works against you. I have no idea how setting charging settings on our mobile computing devices is something that is not supported in 2023

Right, it is somewhat configurable on Samsung phones, which is why I was so surprised when I realized it was less so on Pixel phones.

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FWIW, I can't speak to other operating systems, but with Linux (maybe requiring cooperative hardware? I'm actually not sure) you can configure it to stop charging at a certain % if the charge controller doesn't have reserve. I can find a link if you're interested; IIRC it was easy to setup and easy to temporarily disable if you need to fully charge for e.g. a long flight without outlets

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I've given up trying. If a device is willing to lie to me and only charge to 80% while saying it's charged, great, but all of this "try to stay in a range" logic flies in the face of reality. Every device I use besides my cell phone, Nintendo Switch, and Nintendo 3DS has atrocious power drain when not in use. OS does not matter. Windows laptop, Linux laptop, ChromeOS laptop, Android Tablet, Amazon Tablet, you name it…

I just picked up my 2017 iPad Pro. It was last charged Nov 15. Been sitting by the bed mostly unused since. Currently at 80% charge. I haven’t experienced what you’re describing on an Apple device since they switched the laptops away from Intel chips. In my experience, the OS does matter. I can’t believe how bad the rest of the industry is at this. Amazon’s Kindle line is incredible at this IME, but those are pretty…

I have the exact opposite experience.

I'm not joking, I have an iPad Pro and the main reason why I NEVER use it is because EVERY time I pick it up and try to use it, the battery is completely drained. To the point, where you have to charge it for five minutes just so that you can power it up again.

In those five minutes I lose interest, so I don't use the iPad. At some point, I remove it from the charger. A week later, I pick it up again.... aaaaand it's dead again.

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I use the paid version of an app called Al Dente [1] to set the battery charging level to a specific limit. The app has a free mode. It has more features than what I stated, and works on Intel Macs and Apple Silicon Macs (limited only by what the underlying hardware allows). [1]: https://apphousekitchen.com/

Subscription pricing eh?

There’s a free version that allows you to limit the charging to a specific level. I found this app useful over the years and I bought the lifetime license when it was on a sale. Otherwise I wouldn’t have paid for it since I don’t like the idea of subscriptions either.

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> they don't tell you anything about a battery replacement, but instead suggest a new iPhone! You keep repeating this, but battery replacements were a thing before this whole debacle. I got them a few times, I think they were like $79 (yes definitely more money than the sus extended batteries I'd buy off eBay for my HTC Evo). I realize society collectively forgot about them once the back stopped coming off the phone,…

To replace the battery you need to know there's a problem with the battery. But the iPhone didn't tell me the issue was the battery. It happened after a software update if I remember correctly, so I did everything from formatting it to reducing the graphics load by using the accessibility settings... nothing worked. When I went to the nearest Apple store, the guy told me that I should probably get a new one. I don't…

I think it's equally possible Apple actually didn't know how many phones would be hit by the feature when they launched it.

They knew that old devices (especially common with the well-selling iPhone 6) would fail at peak demand, and wanted to address that, but they probably didn't have an accurate figure of exactly how many devices would be covered by the feature as initially configured.

That it took them as long as it did to react to the resulting situation is unfortunate, but could probably be explained by corporate culture at Apple, they don't generally like to admit mistakes (see the Trash Can Mac Pro press meeting a few years back).

In the end it was just a huge PR fuckup, if they had properly considered how many devices would be affected they would have realised they needed to communicate more clearly, they could have avoided lawsuits and honestly if they had played their cards right from the get go they would probably have received praise instead of backlash, but instead here we are 7 years later still explaining how battery chemistry affects integrated circuits on technical forums.

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No, Samsung and others spread a bunch of FUD that Apple was crippling their phones to force people to upgrade, and Reddit and HN apple-haters ate it up. Still to this day people on HN repeat it like it's fact, and when you correct them, shift the goalposts to "well they didn't TELL people."

The fix had an impact on a core metric of the device: performance. This was the best technical solution to gain longevity, and it was in the interest of users. But doing it under the radar left everyone wondering if it had ulterior motives and let the rumor mill go crazy. Transparency is good even when everything is upsides & roses, and especially important when there are some compromises to be made.

Very well put.

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Answering peer comments: oh but it DOES work. I forgot my charger in another town so I bought a USB-A/C cable and tried it out. Again, the iPhone charger is 8W. This is also the value reported by '/usr/sbin/system_profiler SPPowerDataType | grep Wattage' When the Mac is open and in use (2023, M2) the iPhone charger can just about keep the charge level level, depending on usage. But then when I close the Mac, it can e…

My crude understanding is the charging speed wouldn't directly have an effect, but the heat generated by faster charging would.

Also if it takes hour and hours to charge with 8W, then it becomes easier to unplug it at or around 80%. So maybe it's the best way to charge the Mac - a way that all the cool kids will be doing :)

Re: Charging a lithium battery to 80% only?

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post #341

I can highly recommend ACC (and the ACCA app [1] for setup). It lets me limit my phone to 90% charge with the ability to ignore the limit temporarily when I need to. That's very useful for fixing the battery calibration, which can go bad when using ACC. It has reduced my battery wear by 40-50% according to Accubattery's capacity graph. [1] https://github.com/MatteCarra/AccA

A few people in this thread have recommended it but you need a rooted phone for this, right?

Yes, as far as I know you do.

I don't know how they did it, but it even works when the phone isn't booted.

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My Microsoft Surface Pro 4 can do 100% to 0 in less than 48hrs, powered off the whole time. It's old now, but it became that way in the first 2-3 years, without even using it that much. It's such a pain to use because when it's at zero, If I plug it in and power it on, it'll boot Windows, then at any moment will power off by itself, maybe because Windows doesn't want to run at low battery, maybe it's consuming more t…

Similar with my Surface Pro 4. After a couple years of casual use (it was my "browse on the couch" computer) the battery was significantly degraded. I think a big part of the problem is that "off" doesn't necessarily mean "off". If you just do "Shutdown" from the menu it is just some kind of suspend or hibernate state (I'm not sure which...PC hardware and Windows have a bunch of different "not fully on" states). It's…

No, I don't have disk encryption set up on the Surface.
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