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Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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The board is like a who's who of privilege and nepotism - https://sfstandard.com/2023/11/17/openai-sam-altman-firing-b...

On a side note, what is the with the ownership structure diagram?

OpenAI non-profit --owns---> Holding Company for Open AI non-profit

That makes no sense. How does a non-profit "own" a holding company, that own the non-profit?

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It's not about being rockstar or 10x. He was the chairman of the board (and President of the LLC). Practically speaking, he can work however he wishes within the company. Seeing that he went from CTO role to President role, it's fairly obvious that he got the opportunity to structure the role and the work to best fit him (and probably the company, too).

There’s always a hoarde of people second guessing the 10x engineer. Of course it looks impossible to regular folks. I have seen a few people like this. They’re real. Sometimes it’s even worth the dysfunction they cause to see this in action.

Same, I've seen it in practice and the numbers didn't lie, week on week on week. But you know, some people are very uncomfortable with someone else being called smart. Worse yet what if they're called smarter than what they actually are? Like an injustice in the universe, but comes from defensiveness I think.

I don't know this guy in particular so I have no clue though.

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I can imagine both Apple and Google happily positioning themselves in the same type of relationship as OpenAI-Microsoft.

Google had internal efforts, and Anthropic already. They definitely don’t have the compute to spare to split with another organization. Apple surely doesn’t have a cluster that at all compares with the big cloud giants. Oracle and AWS are really the only cloud left, and oracle is already renting to Microsoft for GPU compute.

>Apple surely doesn’t have a cluster that at all compares with the big cloud giants.

Apple has a lot of cash to throw at it. Question would be if Apple is even interested in it.

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The second person is named Aleksander Mądry, thank you.

Not according to his linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aleksander-madry-61115b233/ (it's about just one letter - a vs ą) If that's the way he wants to be known, it's up to him.

His MIT page on the other hand. https://madry.mit.edu/

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about being rockstar or 10x. He was the chairman of the board (and President of the LLC). Practically speaking, he can work however he wishes within the company. Seeing that he went from CTO role to President role, it's fairly obvious that he got the opportunity to structure the role and the work to best fit him (and probably the company, too).

There’s always a hoarde of people second guessing the 10x engineer. Of course it looks impossible to regular folks. I have seen a few people like this. They’re real. Sometimes it’s even worth the dysfunction they cause to see this in action.

Not commenting about the ppl who are subject of this thread but talking in general. I have been lucky enough to have seen some of these 10x engineers but what is much more common is a 1x engineer feeling and treated like a 10x engineer because they are surrounded by 0.1x engineers.

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I am either skeptical or envious of such claims. Someone coding so much would quickly be launched into meetings to communicate one's results and to coordinate with others. It would be my life's dream to spend 80 hours per week coding without having to communicate with others... but no one is an island...

I can imagine this type of person to abide to their normal obligations during business hours, and code full time the rest of their wake-up time. In my company, 80% coding for a senior SWE is rare. But if they deliver, management will give them some slack on the other evaluation axis. I have colleagues who work almost by themselves on new high impact projects. This has many benefits. No need to argue about designs, co…

This is very true everywhere I've looked.

What also happens is regular developers (like me) want the same treatment as if they could end-to-end deliver "if they only let me", but many times can't, and actually need the structure and processes of a team. I've seen this freedom not working at all.

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Microsoft owns it. I honestly can not imagine trying to build a business on an API owned by Microsoft of all companies.

Isn't Microsoft famous for their insane API stability and backwards compatibility?

Microsoft Azure is famous for its insanely bad security: https://karl-voit.at/cloud/

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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I really wonder if a dividing line started to emerge internally regarding the path to take the company. [1] On one hand they serve Microsoft and developers, building digital AI infrastructure. [2] On the other hand, they seem to try and want to build some monopoly and destroy as many startups (and companies) as possible. In the last developer day, they did a half-ass job of both. GPTs suck. The OpenAI Assistants don'…

Uh, sorry, what? You think serving Microsoft would be opposed to building a monopoly?

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Doomerism when it comes to technology has always been such a weird mindset to me. "oh no, they're gonna take the horses/horse buggies/telegram/landlines away!" "Goddamn, how dare they invent the bigger cannons!?" - Romans, 1453, in Constantinople probably. (One incident where I can use my exempt powers).

Most of the time the technology is not building an artificial intelligent computer that is capable of superhuman reasoning. Have you used gpt4? it's reasoning capabilities match human ability. The more you think about it, the more scary the reality becomes. GPT 4 can reason through any mental exercise as well as a human. The rest of the work to make it autonomous is simple in comparison.

Yann LeCun disagrees with you, and I take his word on it
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