It’s ridiculous that the base and Pro only support 1 and 2 external displays, respectively. Want 3 monitors? Have to pay for the Max. https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/02/m3-chip-still-supports-...
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M3 Macs: there's more to performance than counting cores
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Re: M3 Macs: there's more to performance than counting cores
#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
I might argue that what you are describing is exactly why it's a bit absurd. It would be surprising to me as a user to discover such a limitation. If I didn't read about it here, I would probably find out after the return window and then be pissed that they took a stand on this particular artificial market segmentation.
The vast majority of people wouldn't return something because it doesn't have a feature they weren't even aware in the first place that it didn't have, because they don't need it. That's just weird.
You're forgetting another group of people, those that assume it's there because it's basic functionality
Re: M3 Macs: there's more to performance than counting cores
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I am immensely curious about what you find inconsistent and buggy about macOS? I posted a list of recent issues I've run into elsewhere in the thread, but there are many bugs and inconsistencies in macos: - Doc breaking/becoming inaccessible. - Running app windows disappearing/becoming inaccessible. - Cursor/caret disappearing when editing text. - Can't move windows between workspaces. - Constant issues with extern…
> I posted a list of recent issues I've run into elsewhere in the thread, but there are many bugs and inconsistencies in macos: > > - Doc breaking/becoming inaccessible. > > - Running app windows disappearing/becoming inaccessible. > > - Cursor/caret disappearing when editing text. > > - Can't move windows between workspaces. > > - Constant issues with external monitors. > > - Switching between windows via command-ta…
> But from what I've seen in your replies it seems you post-hoc justified your opinion by googling for known issues.
Really? I 'post-justified' my opinion by posting the same set of issues in another comment hours before you replied to me? Why are you even trying to psycho-analyze my comments and come up with your own imagined motivations for them?
> Unless you're claiming you have all of these issues, constantly and consistently?
I've experienced every single issue I've mentioned. Now you're trying to quantify how 'constantly and consistently' issues appear? You're already going in circles - either they are so constant and consistent that I 'post-justified' my entire criticism based on the popularity of these issues, or they are so rare and inconsistent that they should be ignored?
> I have never had a system that was completely issue free. Be it Windows, Mac or Linux.
What is this statement supposed to represent other than blanket blessing of macos bugs? If windows has a bug - macos bugs are okay?
> as it's literally the Windows symbol on most keyboards.
That's not really a good reason.
> I don't know how you read, but I read from comment to comment, top to bottom. I'm in the top thread where you made the claims without any examples, I don't know why you expect me to look elsewhere for the examples that you might have posted or not. Nor why you think I would look for other people's issues.
I don't care how you read and I don't expect anything from you. If you're in a thread where many macos issues are mentioned, you can attempt to read the other comments in the thread, read the other replies to the same comment you're about to reply to, look at my other recent comments, etc. Instead of pretending that macos issues don't exist, then claiming that my criticism is 'post-justified' after I give you examples, and finally waving the issues off because 'linux and windows also have bugs'.
Re: M3 Macs: there's more to performance than counting cores
#344Earlier quoted context omitted.
I always understood the move to Apple Silicon was also for supply chain concerns, and not just technical. I remember reading that Apple would often express frustration at having to align their products' schedules based on Intel's schedules, and there would be a lack of support from Intel in their collaboration -- I could see this is a a valid bottleneck for Apple, and this isn't their first rodeo in processor transit…
So why work only with Intel and not also with AMD. Never understood that. They chose vendor lock in so of course the vendor is going to sit on it same as Motorola did and later IBM. Now they still have vendor lock in except the vendor is internal. From a distance, it looks super dumb, betting that you can do better with an internal project than playing off the established duopoly. I'm sure I'm too out of the know to…
Apple used the AMD chips that didn't absolutely suck: the GPUs (and they still got plenty of criticism for that). AMD's CPUs were not at all suitable for Apple's most important products until the past few years. The first Zen mobile processors were only a year before Intel's 10nm Ice Lake.
Re: M3 Macs: there's more to performance than counting cores
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> The GPU is increasing a lot though. Is it? Does it matter? Unified RAM is cool. But I’d rather have an Nvidia 4090.
In a laptop?
I was thinking about the desktop variants.
Apple Silicon is amazing. But if you’re doing heavy GPU it’s not very exciting.
Re: M3 Macs: there's more to performance than counting cores
#346Earlier quoted context omitted.
Upstream changed the license. Apple doesn't distribute GPLv3 software. Apple's not going to distribute a newer version. That's how license changes work. The old version continues to work as well as it always did; scripts written for the new version don't work, but why would you write a bash4 script for macOs? Not that they were going to update bash regularly anyway. So if you needed a new version in the base, you'd n…
> The old version continues to work as well as it always did; scripts written for the new version don't work, Right, so scripts written for bash4+ don't work - which is most of modern bash scripts.. > but why would you write a bash4 script for macOs? The problem is that you have to write special scripts (among other things) just for macos. This is very real problem because most modern software companies run their stu…
If you want your server environment to match your desktop environment, macOs is a poor choice.
It would be better to have a dev vm or use an os that you can run a real server on. FreeBSD, Linux, Windows, maybe Solaris.
Re: M3 Macs: there's more to performance than counting cores
#347And yet the air can’t support more than one monitor. I know Apple is a small company with only a few engineers so it must have been too hard. Sarcasm obviously. As an Apple enthusiast it’s so annoying how they sniff farts.
The answer is pretty straight forward: it has no fan and limited ram. It supports a 6K screen in addition to the built-in screen. It's reasonable to say that if you need 3 screens to get your job done, then that is not representative of the market for apple's lowest-end laptop.
My super old hp elitebook from 2015 was a piece of shit and yet had to trouble driving two external monitors
This is arbitrary market segmentation. I need two external monitors mostly because I share the same single cable to my dock with work and because macOS is so stupid about monitors it randomly connects to one or the other, not both. So I have to manually power off the wrong monitor each time and turn it on for work. Really annoying.
Re: M3 Macs: there's more to performance than counting cores
#348And yet the air can’t support more than one monitor. I know Apple is a small company with only a few engineers so it must have been too hard. Sarcasm obviously. As an Apple enthusiast it’s so annoying how they sniff farts.
Only 1-monitor support seems like a market segmentation decision, not a lack of capability. (Much like how the iPhone Pro has faster USB-C data transfer speeds vs base iPhone)
Yeah it absolutely is and that’s why they sniff farts. Two monitors is such a strange thing to segment but it’s a smart business decision. It just sniffs farts
Re: M3 Macs: there's more to performance than counting cores
#349And yet the air can’t support more than one monitor. I know Apple is a small company with only a few engineers so it must have been too hard. Sarcasm obviously. As an Apple enthusiast it’s so annoying how they sniff farts.
While some engineering compromises I can understand, most appear to simply be anti-consumer/cash-grabs. Need more than 8gb ram? Hope you've got sufficient money. Want a high refresh rate screen present in cheap android phones? Sorry not for our base models.
I will say 8gb and m1 has been LIGHTNING fast for regular dev work with my personal stuff. Go, docker, etc. never had a ram issue
But yeah 16gb is so cheap Apple stop it
Re: M3 Macs: there's more to performance than counting cores
#350Earlier quoted context omitted.
The answer is pretty straight forward: it has no fan and limited ram. It supports a 6K screen in addition to the built-in screen. It's reasonable to say that if you need 3 screens to get your job done, then that is not representative of the market for apple's lowest-end laptop.
My super old hp elitebook from 2015 was a piece of shit and yet had to trouble driving two external monitors This is arbitrary market segmentation. I need two external monitors mostly because I share the same single cable to my dock with work and because macOS is so stupid about monitors it randomly connects to one or the other, not both. So I have to manually power off the wrong monitor each time and turn it on for…
Then don’t buy the lowest-spec Apple laptop?
Btw a quick check on Elitebooks start at $1,760 and support at most a single 5k screen.