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The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

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Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

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post #143

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What [ad] platform pays on anything but clicks?

There's CPM (cost per mille [thousand]) and CPA (cost per action) too. Twitter has CPA ads: https://business.twitter.com/en/help/campaign-setup/create-a... https://business.twitter.com/en/help/campaign-setup/create-a... https://business.twitter.com/en/help/campaign-setup/create-a...

Cost per conversion is another one too. Technically an action too. :)

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

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I call bullshit on "if you're authentic nobody will care". I've been blogging for over 20 years (not on Twitter, Heavens forbid) and never did any promotional stuff and I am fine with amount of engagement I get. If literally nobody would ever engage again, I'd probably still do it. I also read dozens of other blogs, which don't do promotions - somehow I found them. There are probably hundreds of more interesting ones I haven't found and never will - but such is life, you can't earn all the money, eat all the food or read all thd content. I suspect those who complain about it either are in a wrong business or let their ego get ahead of them.

Also, can we get people to stop to confuse whatever weird things happen on Twitter with all the internet and all the economy?

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

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> Elon’s political antics chased away a lot of good people. Many of my favorite follows have moved to Mastodon, Threads, and Bluesky. Also, more and more people are waking up and realizing that social media is actually quite bad for you, and leaving it behind. Good for them. Bad for me. It's common to blame the move from Twitter on Elon's politics. And that's perfectly valid. I moved away for a much simpler reason. H…

I have a strong suspicion that from the fact that managers of most major social networks were openly political and all of them to one (the left) side, many people decided this is how the normal situation is - you can only use a service if the owner shares your politics and constantly reaffirms it. When it turned out Elon's politics does not match theirs in some aspects, it was a shock to them - how can we tolerate being associated with a person who disagrees with us?! I don't think that's how functional adults are supposed to behave, but on social media I guess the norms are different.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

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To be fair, that's because he leveled the playing field that was tilted in favor of the elite establishment consensus. They aren't supportive of a platform with free speech. ie, speech one disagrees with. Team Establishment was happy when it censored opposing viewpoints and it's no surprise, although unfortunate, they migrated to regressive platforms where that still occurs.

> To be fair, that's because he leveled the playing field that was tilted in favor of the elite establishment consensus. Do you really believe this? Anyway, most of the people I follow left because of the terrible people and bots, sooooo many bots, clogging up their timeline with right wing nonsense.

Why not believe it if it's true? Twitter was systematically working with the government to ban people they (and sometimes by weird comedy of errors, also Russian FSB) want to ban. They were also systematically banning and suppressing people expressing opinions disfavored by the elite consensus.

Bots don't help of course, but the presence of bots doesn't preclude the tilted playing field.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

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post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To be fair, that's because he leveled the playing field that was tilted in favor of the elite establishment consensus. Do you really believe this? Anyway, most of the people I follow left because of the terrible people and bots, sooooo many bots, clogging up their timeline with right wing nonsense.

Why not believe it if it's true? Twitter was systematically working with the government to ban people they (and sometimes by weird comedy of errors, also Russian FSB) want to ban. They were also systematically banning and suppressing people expressing opinions disfavored by the elite consensus. Bots don't help of course, but the presence of bots doesn't preclude the tilted playing field.

> Why not believe it if it's true? Twitter was systematically working with the government to ban people they (and sometimes by weird comedy of errors, also Russian FSB) want to ban.

That’s still happening. But what does that have to do “elite consensus”?

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

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post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not believe it if it's true? Twitter was systematically working with the government to ban people they (and sometimes by weird comedy of errors, also Russian FSB) want to ban. They were also systematically banning and suppressing people expressing opinions disfavored by the elite consensus. Bots don't help of course, but the presence of bots doesn't preclude the tilted playing field.

> Why not believe it if it's true? Twitter was systematically working with the government to ban people they (and sometimes by weird comedy of errors, also Russian FSB) want to ban. That’s still happening. But what does that have to do “elite consensus”?

Who is banned and who is not is determined by that consensus.

Re: The slow death of authenticity in an attention economy

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Same reason why Wikipedia contributors do not want to be paid, and why cryptocurrency-based wikis failed. Money is not always the best incentive. It is leaking in every part of our society, sometimes in a destructive way. It's great for innovation and infrastructure, but not for our social life and human rights.

What do you think is the best incentive?

There is no silver bullet. Money works on most contexts, but sometimes reputation, social structure and idealism work too. The open-source culture and Wikipedia are great examples.

Reminds me of Eric Steven Raymond's hacker howto from 2001 [1] "Like most cultures without a money economy, hackerdom runs on reputation"

[1] http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html

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