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Re: Organic Maps

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Love it. thanks for making this. Feature Request: Add a Thrilling style mode for navigation so I can map fun drives without using a real computer. https://help.tomtom.com/hc/en-us/articles/10428741608466-Rou... Here is more information about the variables they use to figure out the most thrilling route -- https://developer.tomtom.com/blog/build-different/thrills-an...

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Re: Organic Maps

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I genuinely want to know what lead Google to not support Maps offline properly. It’s truly staggering how, even when I do everything I can to say: save this journey, don’t delete the map around it, don’t delete the journey, just passively show me where I am next to it, it will gleefully delete everything. I once met their lead designer (who had just changed to work at another FAANG) and… boy was that not a conversati…

I genuinely want to know what lead Google to not support Maps offline properly.

Money. Same reason they won't show you your location on a map unless you turn on location tracking, even though there's a perfectly good GPS in the phone.

You know how designers like to say that users are always right? Well, not that guy.

I have had similar conversations with leads from Google News & Scholar. My impression is that when those people go to a conference or whatever they're they're to promote the company's outlook, not to listen. In the case of the news guy he when I pointed out some logical flaws in his argument (about why they didn't offer a way of sorting by date), he just switched to nodding while staring off into space and refusing to make eye contact, so he could give the appearance of listening without engaging further.

Re: Organic Maps

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Ah, I see! I'm not sure if OSM data can have that information, but it would be great! Some kind of bushwhack out of 10 rating?

OSM does have that data, and I've noticed that mapy.cz takes it into account. There are sac_scale [1] and smoothness keys [2] 1. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale 2. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness

sac seems a little too broad to me; most trails would be level 2 or below, without communicating much more than a simple elevation profile already gives you.

Re: Organic Maps

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If you change something on OSM it takes a few minutes to a day to be visible on the *online* map. And in their faq they state, that they update their maps 1-4 times per month. Automatic updates are planned https://github.com/organicmaps/organicmaps/issues/5679

Yeah, such massive delays will be the one thing preventing me from using Organic Maps. OSM being community-editable is where these map apps get most of their value. Letting the data go that stale defeats the purpose. Thanks for the link I'll keep an eye on that issue.

I don't think monthly updates is letting the data go stale, and there's a bandwidth cost of updating e.g., every day. Maybe they would update more often if they got more donations ;)

Google often takes longer than that to process edits...

Re: Organic Maps

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Am I just old if I as a developer think that 10mbit/s is plenty enough? I could probably do with 1mbit/s and still be about as productive as I am now.

You are not alone. The last time a home internet upgrade felt really significant to me was going from 2mbit to 8mbit. Everything else has been luxury. Though I'll be signing up for ~160 or ~1000 as soon as the new cables the street was recently dug up to put in place are connected, I like my luxuries! I do still notice upstream improvements though. Both those old 2mbit and 8mbit connections were 256kbit up, and I cur…

you get used to high speed. I have recently had to download a 3Gb file on a 100mbit wifi. god, it took 5 minutes! that would take <1min on my 1gbit at home.

Re: Organic Maps

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I use Organic Maps for hiking specifically because it's not a "hiking app". There are way too many apps out there that expect you to just hike a trail that someone else has already hiked. Want to combine intersecting trails? You're out of luck. Want to use a trail you didn't explicitly pre-download without a data connection? You're out of luck But with Organic Maps, I find it has all the trails (at least on two separ…

I use MapOut for that purpose. I believe it also has OSM base data and allows you to draw your own routes. It provides elevation gain and loss, as well as a remarkably accurate time estimate for the hike taking into account elevation.

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I feel like nobody in the Google Maps uses a bike for commuting or other daily life purposes. If they did, they wouldn't route me through the most dangerous, fast traffic street in my neighborhood, and instead they would choose the adjacent bike boulevard. Apple Maps does this much better, even though they've sent me to the wrong side of town a few times. From my early tests, Organic Maps also sends you down dangerou…

I they they have designed a routing algorithm that works very well in cities where Google employees live and work, and they either haven't tested elsewhere or aren't willing to make targeted changes to fix specific areas. It does work very well in US cities that have Google offices, but it's not surprising to me that it would fail elsewhere.

I mean, you'd think that, but lately it constantly tries to send me down illegal lefts, and tries to have me drive on the Muni/Taxi only part of Market. In San Francisco. And if San Francisco isn't a coty where Google employees live and work, I don't know what is!

Re: Organic Maps

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> Do not blindly trust it. Map data can be very out of date in some places, especially on remote-ish hiking trails. Also, for the love of everything that's holy, do the same with Apple/Google Maps. They can be horribly wrong to the point of being actively dangerous.

Can't trust Apple/Google, can't trust OSM, can't trust paper maps... What's the right answer here?

Trust but verify
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