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80% of bosses say they regret earlier return-to-office plans

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Re: 80% of bosses say they regret earlier return-to-office plans

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Actually, the employers should really pay us rent for WFH because they are using our own facilities to make profits.

My last job did give me a stipend that more or less covered my internet bill. That was nice.

Same here, add to that some office equipment at a huge discount, when they had to close the office during the pandemic, a one-time fair amount of cash for spending in home office equipment, and a smaller but nice yearly amount for the same.

Re: 80% of bosses say they regret earlier return-to-office plans

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I had lunch, not too long ago, with a senior executive of a silicon valley tech company that was moaning about how much of a pain it was to get people to come into the office and how it felt like things would never return to the way they were. And I told them I actually knew of a way to get 100% of their employees to return to the office happily. When they asked what this magic bullet was I said, "Go back to offices,…

Yeah no thats not a solution. Figure out how to get back the time and costs lost to commuting, then you'll have a solution.

Of course one does not exist, and theres zero reason (especially for a valley company) to force people into an office.

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I understand the merits of WFH and in-person work. One thing that is however funny is the guilt tripping used by employers who have this straw-man version of a lazy WFH employee, and more so, employers who have a delusion that their workplace is important enough that people need to sacrifice a large portion of their lives just for the opportunity to be there in person. 90% of jobs aren't people's "passions" and have…

I find it funny that when people were required to be home, employers talked about what great productivity they were getting with people at home. Then when it isn't required anymore, they want everyone back in the office for...productivity. My guess is that most employers really have no way to measure if an employee is being productive or not so managers are just reporting what makes them look good...and now we are ba…

I think that there's something else at play - mostly two major factors:

- real estate agencies push for return to office(as they own a lot of office space that's now empty)

- Turns out.. you don't need so many middle managers - without their direct oversight everything just kept working fine. So now you have internal vested interest in return to office for people in power.

Re: 80% of bosses say they regret earlier return-to-office plans

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To even have a return-to-work policy one has to be a businese that was able to work from home in the first place. But a great many of us work in fields that never really had that option. So data about working from home being better or worse is inherently biased as it comes from only that subset of businesses that can easily make such a move. I propose that the people/jobs who can even consider the debate represent a minority and so any percieved advantages should not be automatically applied to all. No blanket statements.

I say this at 0530 saturday morning as i check my email before driving to my office. (No busses in my town on a saturday morning.)

Re: 80% of bosses say they regret earlier return-to-office plans

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The passive aggressive fix for this is to meet in the conference room and put him on the big screen. In the before times I worked on teams with just 1 or 2 remote and this practice was (unintentionally) awful for them.

If you get decent enough video conferencing equipment (e.g. microphone/camera designed for this kind of setup) and have good internet connections then this can actually work pretty well.

I recently moved in to a new office, centrally located in Malmö (which is an incredibly easy to navigate city by bike, foot or public transport).

However, my company is remote first, and when I saw there was a conference room I didn't even think twice about the fact that I would put a large conference table in there and the best A/V equipment that I could afford.

Then I went to Paradox's leaving drinks[0] and met a founder of Frictional Games[1]; they too are remote first but from long before the pandemic, and had a lot of people asking for advice.

I was no different and asked what he learned; He told me, in no uncertain terms, (and without prompting about what to do with my new conference room- merely what worked well for him): that a conference room no matter how well equipped creates implicit asymmetry in meetings.

When I thought back on my career, I realised he was completely right. I have used some truly excellent video conferencing solutions (those big Microsoft TVs that fully integrate with Teams- JAMF boards, the best that logitech as to offer), but it was always more friction than it was worth, and often there was a recap once the "meeting" was over IRL anyway.

So that room is now a relaxing area.

[0]: https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/paradox-closing-ume-a...

[1]: https://www.moddb.com/games/amnesia-the-dark-descent/news/in...

Re: 80% of bosses say they regret earlier return-to-office plans

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I understand the merits of WFH and in-person work. One thing that is however funny is the guilt tripping used by employers who have this straw-man version of a lazy WFH employee, and more so, employers who have a delusion that their workplace is important enough that people need to sacrifice a large portion of their lives just for the opportunity to be there in person. 90% of jobs aren't people's "passions" and have…

This is particularly amusing to me as I sit in bed, right now, at 6 AM on a Saturday morning, having just figured out how to do something and done it in an isolated staging environment, after bouncing ideas of a co-worker in another time zone who happened to also be online and thinking about it right now.

And if the idea of working on a Saturday morning at 6 AM sounds toxic, I also logged off at 2 PM yesterday to spend the afternoon with my wife, who'd come home early from her office, and went to sleep by 8 PM, so it's not like I'm hustle culturing it working 80 hour weeks. I just happen to like early mornings.

So suck it, dumbass CEOs.

Re: 80% of bosses say they regret earlier return-to-office plans

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post #334

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100%. And don‘t forget about the useless standup meetings which are nothing more than a complete waste of time.

Why do you think standup meetings are useless? Maybe they are not run properly? I find them to be a pillar of our workday, within our team.

depends on the place of work. mine is also useless. the manager is clueless so some team members just tells every single thing they did for 15 minutes for clout with the manager.

Re: 80% of bosses say they regret earlier return-to-office plans

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> they would have approached their plans differently if they had a better understanding of what their employees wanted

They knew what their employees wanted, they just didn't anticipate consequences. Aside from it almost being impossible to not have noticed everyone's opinion on this, if a manager actually doesn't know what their employees want maybe they should try to communicate with them? Or, more realistically, not willingly ignore them.

Re: 80% of bosses say they regret earlier return-to-office plans

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post #333

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> which includes the time to get dressed Thanks for mentioning this. It drives me crazy how people think of commute time as the time their engines are running, whereas the overhead of doing so is relatively significant.

Do you guys actually WFH in your underpants?

Generally yes. I typically prefer just being in my boxers at home. No shirt or pants. Always strip down to that the moment I get home too.

Many times if I needed to be on camera I'd only put on shirt long enough to be on camera and make sure my camera was positioned high enough that if I stood up. My boxers wouldn't be seen. Buy even then it did happen from time to time.

Re: 80% of bosses say they regret earlier return-to-office plans

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post #334

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100%. And don‘t forget about the useless standup meetings which are nothing more than a complete waste of time.

Why do you think standup meetings are useless? Maybe they are not run properly? I find them to be a pillar of our workday, within our team.

Just my experience. A work culture where people approach each other without somebody telling them to do so is much better. Respect of each others time is also crucial. Get the motivating factors right and you dont need to bore the x out of everyone.
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