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Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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That's why I also rotate license plates and repaint my car twice a year.

I also change my facial hair style 4 times a year. Will start getting plastic surgery twice a year starting next year.

sounds like a slippery slope to voluntary hip surgery for gait correction

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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I'm torn. On one hand, I absolutely think that a capability available in the vehicle/device when you purchased it should be available for you to use, and not behind a software lock (heated seats, etc). On the other hand, an "upgrade" or 100% new software delivered via OTA (self driving, etc) seems a little more like it should be a separate thing.

You can make the same argument that pirating software is ok

In the world which disrespects FOSS for so much it is OK. Pirating books is 100% OK.

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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In what way? No copy was ever made.

Using a copyrighted work without license is copyright infringement. Not sure how to make that clearer to you.

If I put a book a don't have a license to under a table leg to make it stop wobbling, it is not copyright infringement

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Pretty sophisticated attack vector: low voltage attack on AMD secure execution environment during boot. I wonder how many tries you need to get whatever bits you need in the right place. Also, I imagine you only need to cut 12V wires to do this, but I admire the willingness to get in there direct on these systems. I'd be a little nervous to make those cuts personally. Buried in the article is the claim that this will…

> you could anonymize your location on Tesla's servers I already anonymise my location on Tesla's servers by simply not owning a Tesla

Cool

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> Seems like a great way to get a bunch of people messing with their cars which could lead to all kinds of catastrophic consequences People have always been able to do this with a wrench since before the invention of cars.

I don't think anyone's taking a soldering iron to their on-board computer in a standard ICE vehicle. The fact that tesla has vehicle control code running on it (beyond your typical lane assist) makes this infinitely worse. Or am I missing something? I get that people disagree with these features being locked down and I agree. My point is this isn't like changing a cold air intake in your ICE car. This can have you go…

>I don't think anyone's taking a soldering iron to their on-board computer in a standard ICE vehicle.

This is a multi-million dollar industry in the USA.

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Dash cams are much more tightly regulated in the EU than elsewhere (you become a Data Processor and have all the responsibilities that comes with that). Private ANPR in public spaces is unlawful in I think every EU state?

Coming from an American perspective (where, when you are in public, you have basically no expectation of privacy), this seems insane. Does this mean that if I'm filming a vlog at Brandenburg Gate (which inevitably includes video of other people in the background enjoying the area), I'm in violation of privacy laws? Does that mean if I take a video selfie of me and my family members (which, again, includes images of o…

There are differences between private photographs and commerical products.

Vlog/youtube would be considered to be potentially commerical .. so you would probably be responsible fore GDPR and likeness recording. (The onious is on you to blur)

Video selfie/photograph personal/non shared use - you're free do this

https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/photography-laws-germany

I am not a lawyer, nor is this legal advice.

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Here's a question for the lawyers out there: if you notify Tesla that they're no longer authorized to access YOUR car, and they remote into it anyways, would that come under Computer Fraud and Abuse?

You agreed to EULA.

So one can never revoke access or change the access terms to one's own car/computer? That just seems wrong. I'm pretty sure Tesla can and does change access terms to their servers and charging networks.

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> Software-locked features that need to be activated by the owner paying or subscribing to a service are becoming increasingly popular in the auto industry.

Sorry, WHAT? People should absolutely boycott companies that try to squeeze bucks in this miserable way.

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It's relatively clear to me... Features cost money, so I should pay for them. Wether that's via an option package (traditional) at order time OR via a software update (Tesla) after purchase doesn't matter. BUT! As long as that feature doesn't have recurring costs to the manufacturer (heated seats), it should be a one-time fee, and transfer with ownership. Something like self-driving, where there might be an active in…

Ongoing costs aside, it’s important to also recognize that there may have been massive up-front costs to develop something like self-driving before it generates revenue, which the manufacturer should have the right to recoup/monetize. If they choose to do that through a subscription, that feels like it’s within their right.

As the end user, I couldn’t care less about a manufacturer’s costs. That’s a them problem, not a me problem.

I understand your point. I just don’t care. They sold me a thing, and now it’s mine.

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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I'm somewhat torn too. IBM and I'm sure others have shipped enterprise hardware for years that was partially locked. You might get a machine with 16 cpus but you only paid for 8, for example, but you could license the rest as you grew. It seems a little similar and it was in no way underhanded, everyone knew what the deal was. However I'll echo what another poster said. I say Tesla should be free to sell whatever the…

I don’t mind hardware shipping locked and being an optional fee to unlock. I have paid for the rear heated seats in my model 3. What I’m vehemently opposed to is ongoing fees for things that don’t have ongoing costs. BMW wants to charge monthly for seat heaters or carplay, but those things are not a service and don’t have ongoing costs for BMW to provide. If anything creating an ongoing software lock creates an avail…

> What I’m vehemently opposed to is ongoing fees for things that don’t have ongoing costs.

Especially if that rent-seeking doesn't come with any kind of support for the "offering".

If the heated-seats break for a "subscriber", will BMW repair them for no additional cost?

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