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He's just "hack[ing] something to [his] advantage." And pg was his enthusiastic Palpatine. Egging on and fawning over sama was already uncomfortable back in 2010. http://paulgraham.com/founders.html
Luckily, YC is experiencing a cultural shift. The likes of PG and Marc Andrewessen, Sam Altman and Peter Thiel were not frowned upon in 2010, not to mention Elon Musk or Zuckerberg.
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Most criticisms of worldcoin completely misunderstand/misrepresent how it works but this one does not. The GP is correctly pointing out that the iris hash is only necessary for receiving some of the initial airdrop. It is completely true that once a wallet is generated (and you don't even need to visit an orb to create a wallet) anyone who possesses the private key, human or robot, can send transactions using that wa…
Is it possible for people to understand how it works and to still oppose it being broadly adopted in your opinion? Can you please clarify what exactly others are not understanding or misrepresenting?
Just some simple examples:
> Imagine that your digital identity has been lost in some way — shut down by authorities for non-compliance, or otherwise blocked. With traditional cash — and other cryptocurrencies — you can always make a new wallet and stash some fresh coins in it. But this isn’t Minority Report, and you can’t get a new iris from your neighborhood surgeon.
You don't need to walk up to an Orb to create a wallet. You can own and transact worldcoin without ever showing your iris to an orb.
> When your immutable digital identity is locked — imagine merchants who won’t take your coins from you without a digital signature announcing your World ID — it’s over for you. No old account. No new account. No soup for you. You just lost your digital personhood.
This is also possible... with every other form of payment? Imagine merchants who refuse to accept cash. Once the government locks your credit card you're out of luck. Imagine a world where you have to sign in with google before you can pay for anything (why is the worldid dystoia apparently so easy to imagine, while the google one seems silly?). Once the government locks your google account you're out of luck. A dystopia has _many_ levers to pull and refusing to deploy worldcoin is not have any impact on the success of that dystopia.
There is really so much that it's not possible to clarify "exactly" what others aren't getting in a single comment, there are a dozen different misconceptions, if you have specific concerns I'm curious to hear them and attempt to reply to them.
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> Capitalism is a system (much more than just an economic system) that allows for selection like this. You just described capitalism as a kind of suicide pact. I don't entirely disagree, but limit this critique to unrestricted capitalism. Unrestricted capitalism is a monster that would, if never restrained, basically destroy everything.
Yeah like a creative destruction type thing. I think the point is to destroy whatever this is by the process of evolving evolution via capitalism’s ability to rapidly push forward tech which creates genetic/dna synthesis which evolves into post-humans. How can we stop a force of nature?
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It is literally impossible for a simple deadbolt to keep intruders from entering your house. Are locks scams? Separately, I strongly suspect that your idea of worldcoin's "stated purpose" is not something they have ever stated.
> Separately, I strongly suspect that your idea of worldcoin's "stated purpose" is not something they have ever stated. I encourage you to read their whitepaper, where they state that world id is indeed a proof of personhood. The allegation in this thread is that it fails at proving that someone is a unique person, and it cannot possibly due so because of the oracle problem. Therefore it is a scam. https://whitepaper…
"proof of personhood" is something of a term of art which worldcoin did not invent. They are not literally claiming they can prove, in a mathematical sense, personhood. What would that even mean? See for example this, which seems to have originated the term in 2017: https://berkeley-defi.github.io/assets/material/Proof%20of%2...
"proof of personhood" was created in contrast to "proof of work" and "proof of stake". If you want to get technical "proof of work" is also not a mathematical proof, it is more of an argument of work, since it's possible to get lucky and find a low hash without doing all the work. The word "proof" is not doing what you think it is doing.
There are a couple other "proof of personhood" protocols and none of them mathematically prove personhood, because that is obviously impossible, some of them are listed at the beginning of this post: https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2023/07/24/biometric.html
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Maybe, maybe not - but that's sort of the point. It doesn't really matter since there's no alternative. Accelerationism isn't even a conscience choice per-se - it's a phenomenon that is a product of technological advancement of which Capitalism is the vehicle for. If anything, the only conscious choice is to not resist it as that's ultimately futile since it can't be stopped. Well, unless we went full Teddy K, which…
There are multiple alternatives, this is just one particular dystopia you’ve foreseen. Capitalism can be effectively regulated and often is, and as a system it only works effectively due to the presence of regulated markets.
But I posit that it doesn’t really matter. Technology will ultimately prevail. I’m not sure I would call it a dystopia but rather the next step in the evolution of life.
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There are multiple alternatives, this is just one particular dystopia you’ve foreseen. Capitalism can be effectively regulated and often is, and as a system it only works effectively due to the presence of regulated markets.
Sure, you can regulate and probably should. It’s important that genuine technology is brought to market. But I posit that it doesn’t really matter. Technology will ultimately prevail. I’m not sure I would call it a dystopia but rather the next step in the evolution of life.
There’s nothing inevitable about it.
[0]: https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2023/07/24/biometric.html
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Every single criticism I see about worldcoin gets something fundamentally wrong about how it works
Why should anyone care how a perpetual motion machine is purported to work? You just call it a scam and move on.
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You’re misrepresenting what it’s collecting and you’re part of the problem in this discussion. Worldcoin isn’t storing anything that could be used by any other entity. It doesn’t store biometrics and there isn’t a way to use the store information to know what the iris looked like that generated it.
A hash of a biometric has the exact same negative properties of a biometric data point itself: That it is not concealable, you cannot change it, and that it is tied to you explicitly. Surely you see how a giant database of biometric hashes provides the same usefulness to bad actors as an actual biometric database? It's a unique identifier tied explicitly to your physical body. Anything that hash is tied to can later…
Thanks for proving my point that virtually all criticisms stem from people misunderstanding or not putting in the effort to learn how it actually works.