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Study finds billions of nanoplastics released when microwaving containers

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Re: Study finds billions of nanoplastics released when microwaving containers

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They would be hard to establish if you didn't have data on the kinds of health problems that would only show up post-plastic.

Why do you think that? If microplastics is a problem, I would expect studies to have shown up linking microplastics to cancer in the elderly, or to dementia, or heart disease, or any of the other very widely spread health issues that could arise after decades of exposure in a population. I'm not an expert, but wouldn't you need just a scalpel, a microscope and lots of donated tissue samples?

The windows of opportunity would have been narrow to definitively target microplastics as the cause of many diseases where observations of the potential mechanism of action for a morbidity - in this case, probably inflammation or endocrine disruption - could also be caused by other factors which are easier to measure.

This is because plastics became common when a lot of other industrial practices and materials became common in the environment, many of which we know contribute to diseases of modernity.

Microplastic pollution is likely easily confused with other forms of pollutants that were easier to detect historically, and thus care way more about. This would include lead poisoning or carbon monoxide or other chemicals that mimic hormones in the endocrine system.

So why isn't this an argument for disregarding microplastics as being marginal? Because there are microplastics on the larger end which exhibit effects on the endocrine system more definitively than smaller plastics, and these results are easier to report because these plastics are easier to observe.

But with the presence of smaller plastics everywhere, which we would have to know because larger plastics always break down into smaller ones over time, to both understand that they are a common water pollutant yet also observe them in biological tissue requires more precise modalities than historically have been available when microplastic pollution could have started.

It's possible that it might be only "larger" microplastics that have an effect on health, and smaller ones end up being flushed out before they have an effect, or end up not mimicking any hormone and just end up being an chronic inflammatory like pollen would be to those allergic to it.

But that cutoff is quite arbitrary if we rely on just the microplastics that are easy to observe as the only ones that affect our health. A better idea would be to suspect smaller plastics and then gather evidence on their effect on tissues over other pollutants, as the ability to sample them becomes available.

Re: Study finds billions of nanoplastics released when microwaving containers

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The control group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese

Don't think so. This is nanoplastics we're talking about. Even microplastics are found everywhere ( https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/microplas... ). stuff spreads well through water air precipitation foodchain etc. Remember how they they could not find a control group for PFAS anywhere on the planet, I'm sure this is true for all common pollutants. Edit: OK, I replaced the link to the article about…

Right. The control group is off-planet: some aliens took a tribe of Native Americans a couple centuries ago to another planet far away. Eventually, Captain Kirk will find them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paradise_Syndrome

Re: Study finds billions of nanoplastics released when microwaving containers

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Yeah - can you provide some more info about this? i use silcon trays - and i always thought they were too good to be true tbh

Silicone is plastic. Or at least a combination of synthetic polymers and probably dyes, if you don't agree with the definition of "plastic".

i just read on wikipedia...i dont know why i assumed it was some kind of wizz-bang glass...i feel like a fool now. Thanks for posting :)

Re: Study finds billions of nanoplastics released when microwaving containers

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Have you considered that you are simply listing two symptoms together instead of identifying cause and effect?

The average American consumes 23% more calories per day in 2010 then in 1970[1] and does 100 calories less physical activity per day in their occupation since 1960[2]. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/12/13/whats-on-... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3102055/

Have you considered that this is the _symptom_?
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