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Companies must stop using Google Analytics

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Re: Companies must stop using Google Analytics

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> For this sort of stuff you can write a small script to parse your logs. IFF you have access to your logs.

So you can setup GA but you can't check your web server logs?

That covers everything hosted on GitHub Pages, as one example.

Re: Companies must stop using Google Analytics

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> although most folks in the EU want that for nationalistic reasons and to prop up their own industries Sources for this extraordinary claim, please. As an EU citizen I'm interested in the EU protecting my privacy, not for nationalistic reasons, not to prop up EU's industries. I care that my data isn't willy-nilly given away under some opaque mechanisms controlled by large corporations, because as many here on HN lik…

I don’t object to the consent requirements for marketing, however, please see [1] for the justification behind my stated position. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36584739

Your citation is... your own still-unsupported opinion? It's not really responsive is it :-)

The EU has a fundamentally different viewpoint on data privacy to the USA. And they are entitled to it. The EU has roughly as many citizens as the USA under a single governance; why should they not collectively argue?

Many Europeans do, also, think the USA is mad on other issues and are unwilling to see a situation where the USA's chosen solutions to things are the de facto solutions. They see data privacy as one of the last opportunities to resist that.

(Alas here in the UK we decided we didn't want to be part of that solidarity, and we are apparently desperate to capitulate.)

As a side note, why is it only ever non-American states that are said to "prop up" their own businesses? It's a two-way street.

Re: Companies must stop using Google Analytics

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The result is the balkanization of the internet, although most folks in the EU want that for nationalistic reasons and to prop up their own industries, under a thin veneer of opposing US imperialism (but being unable to do anything with respect to the things which actually threaten the EU, such as an over dependence on Russia.)

> although most folks in the EU want that for nationalistic reasons and to prop up their own industries Sources for this extraordinary claim, please. As an EU citizen I'm interested in the EU protecting my privacy, not for nationalistic reasons, not to prop up EU's industries. I care that my data isn't willy-nilly given away under some opaque mechanisms controlled by large corporations, because as many here on HN lik…

The best and only real way to protect your data is to not give it away in the first place. But that would require you a browser that doesn't leak data like a firehose or not using the website.

The regulation just makes sure Europe stays unimportant in tech. We will always be a secondary market that services get taken to once they've become successful elsewhere.

It's not even about any specific regulation anymore. Just the fact that they've been so trigger happy with regulations is enough to chase away investors and startups.

I would also like to remind people that the EU did adopt the Data Retention Directive in the past that forced ISPs to keep logs of every website people visited. That kind of soured any belief I had of EU politicians caring about our privacy.

>According to the Data Retention Directive, EU member states had to store information on all citizens' telecommunications data (phone and internet connections) for a minimum of six months and at most twenty-four months, to be delivered on demand to police authorities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive

Re: Companies must stop using Google Analytics

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and IT "assholes" think the run of the mill business drones are "assholes" as well. Their inability to be effective at their jobs tend to make IT lives worse because they can't understand what IT workers do but IT workers can understand what the basic run of the mill business drones do...and their work tends to be a bunch of pointless meetings. Yeah, I work at a corporate office and have made it a mission to see what…

> and IT "assholes" think the run of the mill business drones are "assholes" as well. Their inability to be effective at their jobs tend to make IT lives worse because they can't understand what IT workers Have you ever dealt with an average IT department in a non-tech company? This attitude doesn't help anyone and I really want to believe that only a small minority of tech people think of any other worker anywhere a…

I'm a Sr. SE at a large medical device company and can confirm that our IT dept is filled with assholes. We do everything we can to keep systems out of their hands because they are so difficult to work with compared to every other part of the company.

I get they have to deal with a bunch of technical inepts constantly falling for phishing attacks and occasionally teams will make outrageous requests to them that simply can't be done, but their attitude is terrible.

If you ask for something simple but "scary", like a firewall or internal network change, they will immediately assume you are just some idiot and speak dismissively to you in a very obvious manner. It's extremely frustrating because they won't even bother to read your emails that justify the change and will just invent some unrelated excuses about why they can't or say they will get back to you later (they don't).

Ironically the only way to get anything done through them is to have my team members create a bunch of duplicate tickets (1 per person), and schedule multiple pointless meetings with them that essentially just consist of me reading my emails to them out loud.

Non-technical teams in the company get the same treatment but lack the technical background to counter them. Frequently I've had team leaders come to me to get a second opinions on the stuff IT tells them and it bothers me how much they seem to clearly exaggerate the difficulty of things. To the point where I can't help but wonder if they are just pretending to know what they are doing, and use their better-than-you attitude to mask their own ineptitude.

So overall I feel the negative reputation of IT departments is earned.

Re: Companies must stop using Google Analytics

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At this point, being a "cloud" engineer essentially means that you're good at understanding and adapting to new services / value propositions, since they become available quite regularly. It doesn't mean, "really good at EC2, and incapable of learning more."

If I were reviewing resumes and saw someone list themselves as a "cloud engineer", I would make very sure their skills listed the cloud provider used where I was hiring. That title would make me assume they were a specialist in a cloud until I saw otherwise.

That says more about you than them, though. You’re projecting your own inability to translate knowledge into new systems and assume the same of others.

Re: Companies must stop using Google Analytics

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What I am curios about is how much people actually use ALL the analytics information provided by a lot of these tools. I know Matomo and other such open source/self-hostable solutions, but how much info do you really use? I think for most use cases users would want to know if their content is consumed/read. Maybe how long someone spends on it and where they came from. For this sort of stuff you can write a small scri…

I'm using plausible Analytics. It logs and displays very little data. And no PII data. It's more then enough for me. And a few clients whom I enabled it for, told me they very much liked the simplicity. Less data as a feature!

Plausible rubbed me the wrong way because of the attitude of their staff, but maybe I was the asshole?

I found a bad bug in their JS which means that on some pages it just silently fails and doesn't log anything, which means your analytics are even more inaccurate than ever (given the browser restrictions). I was totally broke and I wanted to use their paid service for a few months, so I offered them the fix in exchange for a few months free service (maybe $30 credit?). They told me basically "don't worry, we'll find the bug ourselves one day, we don't need your help."

Re: Companies must stop using Google Analytics

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My sister-in-law (girlfriends brothers girlfriend, not that it matters) recently studied for a data analytics certification. Actually several. The entire course (located on here: https://medieinstitutet.se ) is based on Google Analytics. Now her entire value is tied to the use of Google Analytics, she will almost certainly fight very hard to ensure that these skills remain relevant, nobody would want to retrain for 6…

> Personally I find this astonishingly foolish of the people who train exclusively on these tools instead of first principles and primitives.

Completely agree. So it is their personal decision. It has been forever.

People getting Macromedia Dreamweaver certifications instead of web development, and so on.

Re: Companies must stop using Google Analytics

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> Not because of skill issues, but maybe forced because they work for a dealership that sells a particular make exclusively or, less often, a specialty shop; most “car repair guys” outside of those environments have to be generalists. Yes, I'd expect any car guy to be able to change your tires. Or change your oil. But even resetting the oil-change alarm or tire-pressure sensor can be a hurdle here: Manufacturers also…

Perhaps you're using a broad/generic example to try and make the point but I'll say this: If a seasoned mechanic is unable to figure out how to reset the Maintenance Reminder or look up how to sync Tire Pressure sensors, run away. In the same way that one can use knowledge of one programming language as a means to leapfrog into other languages, other skilled trades are similar. Perhaps there's something that could be…

I think you are missing at least one important point. The reason the mechanic can’t work on the other brand of car is not knowledge or skill, but equipment. It costs money to buy the full suite of equipment required to correctly service a particular manufacturer’s vehicles. It often makes much more sense to specialize and make more use of fewer expensive tools than to have tools for everything and have only marginally more business.

Re: Companies must stop using Google Analytics

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Sadly, citing off topic ChatGTP woes and reducing Americans to a broad generalization is not a sign of intelligence either.

Statistically speaking, assuming a normal distribution of intelligence, there is a specific percent where this generalization will start to apply.

Now, I don't know what is this percent, but let's give it a name: the ChatGPT percentile cut line.

My intuition says this line sits to the left of the median, so in a sense you are right, meaning that fewer than 50% of people have a measurable intelligence lower than this line.

However, it can also be higher than 5%, and this means many millions of people can be easily replaced by an automation tool, without any bad consequence.

Re: Companies must stop using Google Analytics

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and IT "assholes" think the run of the mill business drones are "assholes" as well. Their inability to be effective at their jobs tend to make IT lives worse because they can't understand what IT workers do but IT workers can understand what the basic run of the mill business drones do...and their work tends to be a bunch of pointless meetings. Yeah, I work at a corporate office and have made it a mission to see what…

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What are some typical everyday scenarios where this is applicable to a real business?

Please include all the steps that chatgpt would independently take, like deciding what meetings to schedule, attending them, and presenting at them for example, and specify who would verify chatgpt’s correctness.

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