Kagi raises $670k

Post by freediver » Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 5:40 AM UTC

justusthane wrote: post #271

wallmountedtv wrote: post #208

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> I am glad there's alternatives to Google and Bing. Kagi is just Bing under the hood with an OpenAI summarizer and a lot of tuning. It is fully reliant on the quality of search results it can fetch from Bing's databases. I know there exists Qwant (a french company) which claim to have an independent engine, but they keep turning their Bing backend on for a lot of searches. Only truly independent engine from Google/B…

I'm not sure what percentage of the results are Bing (perhaps the majority), but I think it's inaccurate to say that Kagi is just Bing under the hood: > Our searching includes anonymized requests to traditional search indexes like Google and Bing and vertical sources like Wikipedia, DeepL, and other APIs. We also have our own non-commercial index (Teclis), news index (TinyGem), and an AI for instant answers.

Post by freediver » Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 5:48 AM UTC

whalesalad wrote: post #279

Anyone having a terrible Kagi experience with Safari lately? Something seems to have changed recently. My search bar is effectively useless.

Post by prometheon1 » Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 7:45 AM UTC

justusthane wrote: post #252

solardev wrote: post #248

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What is a Kagi lens? Is it different from Google Scholar?

It's basically a way to restrict search results to particular websites. So you could create a "programming" lens including Stack Overflow and Github, for example, and a search using that lens would only return results from those sites.

Post by fomine3 » Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 7:56 AM UTC

DeathArrow wrote: post #346

marginalia_nu wrote: post #254

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A hash table is not a good backing structure for a search engine. Hash tables almost guarantee worst case disk read patterns. You use something like a skip list or a b-tree, since that's makes much better use of the hardware, and on top of that allows you to do incredibly fast joins.

That's true, but I was referring to a hash table as a mere mental model, not an actual implementation. A better name would be a dictionary instead of hash table.

Post by marginalia_nu » Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 11:45 AM UTC

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #312

marginalia_nu wrote: post #304

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You don't need to have both to sell search index access to anyone with an LLM, which seems like just about anyone these days.

Why would publishers allow you to crawl their sites if you're not sending them any traffic? The big publishers certainly won't let you do that as they are selling their data to Google, Microsoft, Facebook and whoever else has the money to train a fully fledged LLM, which is certainly not everyone.