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The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by satvikpendem »

unshavedyak wrote: post #143
colpabar wrote: post #25

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Just like twitter.

TBH, thinking back i'm kinda shocked Digg managed to die over this stuff. Was it just a different audience back in those days? Has Reddit reached a different more apathetic audience? Or is Reddit just not upsetting people as much as Digg did? Clearly the internet has continued to grow more mainstream which brings a larger, alternate audience. I'm just speaking to the idea of why Digg failed and why Reddit won't (in t…

By the time Digg did their redesign, Reddit was already getting something like 250 million page views a month. Reddit was a clear alternative to move towards. Today, there is no clear and large alternative to Reddit, as Reddit was to Digg.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by monsieurbanana »

handoflixue wrote: post #249
monsieurbanana wrote: post #218

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How do you go from this: > There’s just no way I could feel comfortable in a community that supports the right-wing nationalist Putin’s war on Ukraine, or outright denies the harsh repression meted out against Muslims in China. Which makes up 50% of the article, to "it's slightly different than reddit"?

You could just join a different instance, like the article recommends. The bit you quoted is one paragraph out of 10, not "50% of the article". It's not like Reddit has never had ugly sub-reddits, especially earlier on when it was trying to be a bastion of free speech.

It's more like 3 paragraphs, but that's not really the point. It's one thing to have ugly subreddits / communities, it's another if the developers and the main instance is the ugly one. If one of the main issues of those federated networks is fragmentation, telling me to just ignore the main one doesn't bode particularly well.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by goatlover »

Timon3 wrote: post #327
goatlover wrote: post #239

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It was hostile by mods to close a sub like r/nba the day after the finals, and hostile to close an important sub like r/science. A poll with a small fraction of the users that was only up for a few hours and potentially brigaded doesn't mean the majority of actual users wanted those subs to close.

How would the poll have to be done to convince you it's what the majority of actual users want?

Open for a couple days in advance and only for members of that sub. The indefinite one should have opened up for a new vote. Maybe r/nba could have provided a link to an alternative sub for discussing the nba finals on Monday.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by jimcsharp »

PepperdineG wrote: post #185
mulletbum wrote: post #32

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Mods don't work for Reddit. They volunteer for Reddit moderation. Much like you can volunteer to be the leader of the DND club at a local hobby shop. They are not an employee. People who don't like what Reddit is doing should stop showing up. Mods who don't like it should stop moderating. It's as simple as that, if enough people agree, Reddit will be no more. I will bet Reddit will be just fine.

>Mods don't work for Reddit. They volunteer for Reddit moderation. Much like you can volunteer to be the leader of the DND club at a local hobby shop. They are not an employee. DND has no control over people doing DND at a local hobby shop, but if Reddit gets directly involved in hiring and firing and other such management of free labor then it is setting up to be viewed as an employer. There are many differences bet…

I'd love to see a poison mod take up their offer then and start the ball rolling on asserting some rights.

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Post by zzzeek »

bombcar wrote: post #120
zzzeek wrote: post #83

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same, but for r/music for praising songs that have fade out endings

And CDs where the track actually starts five seconds into the previous track and it’s never been fixed in any digital version ever.

blame Bob Ludwig for that

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by robbywashere_ »

This sounds like it could be the death of the platform, or at least the beginning of. I can see it devolving into bot generated content and intrusive ads. Once being a site noteworthy of high signal to noise ratio for content (ie google'ing with 'reddit' for quality search results) will now enshitify as it attempts to squeeze out every drop of revenue.

Had the owner of twitter not fired all of his employees, they very well may have been able to seize the opportunity and develop an alternative which could have integrated with their current users and product.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by ribosometronome »

1024core wrote: post #269
ribosometronome wrote: post #79

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I wonder what dang thinks about that for HN? I'm not sure how you would properly prompted LLM change moderating standards based on community feedback? Sticky threads for popular topics? Have the understanding of things like local politics or a newly released game in 2023 to be able to separate out bad faith discussion from real? Reddit isn't twitter where the main thing the mods do is remove abusive replies. They're…

A few-shot prompt should be able to do it. Now, I will admit I have not tried; but you could have the prompt be some posts that are considered "on topic" (of the sub) and others that are "off topic", and let the LLM rate these posts. Limit the number of new posts to a small number to prevent probing and spamming.

And handling the 11th unique story on a single topic being posted and voted up by brigades that week? Considering people's user history when making moderation judgments? Having the context to understand new dog whistles? All things that are technically possible, I guess, but it requires a lot of complex prompting, long context windows, and effort placed into moderation tools that Reddit doesn't seem to have put significant effort into before.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by Timon3 »

goatlover wrote: post #343
Timon3 wrote: post #327

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How would the poll have to be done to convince you it's what the majority of actual users want?

Open for a couple days in advance and only for members of that sub. The indefinite one should have opened up for a new vote. Maybe r/nba could have provided a link to an alternative sub for discussing the nba finals on Monday.

> Open for a couple days in advance and only for members of that sub.

How do you do that? Specifically, how would you limit the poll?

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by FireBeyond »

Pxtl wrote: post #48

Threatening your unpaid volunteers who are responsible for keeping your site clear of the worst most vile freaks on the internet (something your site has repeatedly made international headlines for) is not long-term thinking.

> worst most vile freaks on the internet (something your site has repeatedly made international headlines for)

You have to remember that Steve (spez), the CEO, is precisely one of those, and was the head moderator of r/jailbait before that finally shut down.

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Post by pixelpoet »

marcod wrote: post #293
jmull wrote: post #178

I'm almost starting to think they really will break Reddit. When all this started I had no doubt that the protests would come, make their point, end, and then Reddit would continue on its way. But this has been so poorly handled. I think a key to reddit's "success" (such as it is) is that they figured out how to scale moderation -- by getting volunteers to do the tough work for free. I'm sure reddit can toss all the…

I'm -> <- this close to deleting all the posts in my 15 year old reddit account. It's not just moderators they are losing.

They don't give a shit about us (14 year old account here), they've already gotten everything. What they want is the endless hordes of TikTok normies posting animated gifs and HD user pics etc. And it's working. The old reddit we loved is never coming back.
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