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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by tensor »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #171
minhazm wrote: post #117

Reddit has handled this pretty terribly but I also think people are being unreasonable. This is no different than me creating a third party YouTube client, charging for it and displaying no ads. Why would YouTube allow me to do that? And why should Reddit allow third party apps to do that? Reddit screwed up in the first place allowing third party apps that they have zero control over to build a full frontend replacem…

I agree. Reddit has behaved very badly, but the kneejerk people demanding a cheaper than opportunity cost API have distanced themselves from sanity. It's one thing to say that one thinks reddit is making a miscalculation against its own financial interests, but it's an extreme form of selfishness to demand that someone else sacrifice earnings to provide perpetual unfettered platform access to things that were put on…

I don't think you understand capitalism. Reddit offers a service for a price, and if I don't like the terms or price I won't use it. That does not make me selfish. Thinking that I'm somehow obligated to pay them is the bizarre take.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by aceazzameen »

Kilgore54 wrote: post #322
deepsun wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet every time I point to the root of the problem -- that most social media web properties are privately owned by their respective shareholders, who just benevolently let you store your* texts and photos at their premises for free -- I get downvoted heavily here on HN. The community doesn't want to hear that here.

Yeah absolutely The problem here is the profit motive. What we need are sustainable communities that are not controlled by sectors of private capital and they treat their users like products or widgets. I know some people are in America, especially above a certain age, refuse to think this way. Decades of Chicago school neoliberal propaganda has convinced them that anything good has to be driven by a profit motive. I…

It's more than a profit motive. Profits can be fine. The bigger issue is the need to show unlimited growth on the books. That whole system drives the gradual enshittification of everything.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by dotnet00 »

neilv wrote: post #273
moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

> We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. There was no mistake. Some pre-goldrush Internet/online people could and did point out these things, from the start. Meanwhile, tons of money rushed in, the money deployed the systems that were available and promoted to people, and the massive influx of people were not hearing from the altruistic types who could see things changing. I think…

>I think the current Internet user base overall has mostly never known an online environment in which their associations weren't owned and controlled.

I think this isn't said enough (even with how often it is said). Switching to Matrix and setting up a fediverse node were big in realizing how used to controlled "sterile" environments me and my friend circle had gotten.

Especially early on we found ourselves often saying that being on those platforms brought back the old "early internet" feeling (for us this would be the early/mid 2000s).

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

irrational wrote: post #89
dweymouth wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://squabbles.io is the best alternative I've seen. The Fediverse is a cool idea in theory but I think at this point in time it's not ready for primetime. It's too complicated for casual users to figure out, plus federation invites drama all of its own - e.g. Beehaw, a major Lemmy instance, has defederated with lemmy.world

Uh... I'm just went there and the first thing I see is "Welcome all sinners! This is a place to talk about your sins in a braggadocious way. Repent if you feel like you have to but no judgment shall be made here about the crazy shit you've done." What the hell? So, it is basically dropping me into the equivalent of one of Reddit's more trashier subreddits, but on the front page?

The homepage shows activity from basically the whole site, so kind of. With an account you get to choose which topics (i.e. subreddit equivalents) get included on /home.

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Post by yk »

throwaway1777 wrote: post #31
yk wrote: post #18

Thing is, I am much more loyal to the mods of my favorite subs, then I'm to reddit. And my guess is, that is the case with a lot of the power users.

There’s no way that’s common. I can’t name a single moderator or a single subreddit and I use the site every day for years.

No idea if it is common, but for two or three communities the community threads became rather more interesting than the rest of the sub, so there I actually know some of the mods.

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Post by EA-3167 »

lordfrito wrote: post #330
EA-3167 wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think anonymous social media as the mainstream is a fad, the end-point is going to be more like Snow Crash, minus the artistic flair. I think text-based, possibly anonymous social media will persist, but it won't be what billions of people are doing. Most of the problems with social media come down to the ability of people to separate themselves from the consequences of their speech and actions. I don't think that…

100% this. The problems of social media are largely already solved in the real world, where there are real consequences to bad behavior. Reputation is a thing in the real world. We're still in the medieval ages of the internet. People are regularly waylaid and conned by digital highwaymen. We need the digital equivalent of a reputation in the digital world. Will end up being similar to a SSN -- an identity that follo…

I feel like those "libertarian minded..." types are ultimately just another brand of utopian fantasist. It sure would be lovely if we could have nice things, but we already know why we can't: human nature.

Maybe that'll change some day, but not today.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by LexiMax »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #268
pkulak wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left the mod team of the sub I started 16 years ago. Just not interested in providing free labor anymore.

That's all fine and well. I mod a couple of large subs but I exclusively use desktop so I'm not affected. I just don't think mods should be ending the communities, most of which they didn't start themselves. Let other people who don't share their issues take over.

> I mod a couple of large subs but I exclusively use desktop so I'm not affected.

You might be a desktop user (I am too) but Reddit is more than just you and me - it's the communities of people who choose to socialize there. And I have a hunch that Reddit chasing away the kinds of people who tend to use third-party apps is going to have a ripple effect on the quality of the communities contained on the site, not to mention bots that aren't covered under the various exemptions.

> I just don't think mods should be ending the communities

Those communities will only end when Reddit does. The only question is how long it will take to reopen and if there is a new moderation team or not.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by tester457 »

ArlenBales wrote: post #205
donutshop wrote: post #3

What's the end game here for reddit? There's no way this would end well.

Invest in LLM and have AI moderate their subreddits.

As soon as users discover prompt injection those investments go up in flames.

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Post by bnralt »

paulddraper wrote: post #95
concinds wrote: post #74

The dishonesty continues. > if they are no longer interested in moderating that community They're still interested. They're just protesting your policies. > [if] at least one mod [...] wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. This one takes the cake. They're dangling a carrot: hey, any low-ranked mod interested in taking over…

Doesn't seem dishonest to me. Reddit cares more about having an open subreddit then the mods do. This was the obvious conclusion

Right. If the users of the sub want to continue the boycott, they certainly can. If the removed mods are beloved by the community, it's easy for them to open a new subreddit.

But I think most people realize that most of the users, who actually create the content, don't want the boycott to continue, and don't have any particular love for the current mods.

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Post by michaelmrose »

CincinnatiMan wrote: post #69
Havoc wrote: post #24

Ah the classic beatings will continue until morale improves approach. Starting to think Reddit leadership is genuinely not all that sharp

There are likely hundreds if not thousands of users who would be willing to become mods of each of the subreddits that are still in private mode. I know I would mod some of the subs I find useful.

A community is an organic thing it's not just the people who like to hang out at a place. A substantial chunk wouldn't participate in a community run by someone like yourself manifestly at odds with the community.

You would end up spending the majority of your moderation shutting down dissent not merely against reddit but against yourself. You would end up presiding over a shell with the original name where even the people who stay don't like or respect you.

Have we forgotten freenode?

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