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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by websap »

juunpp wrote: post #270
kumarvvr wrote: post #244

" By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself." Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too. Its a blindfold on your face, and it doesnt matter if they are alone or in a crowd. Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software. Regarding battery power, I woukd not rule out versions that stream the video and o…

The $3500 price tag and closed ecosystem is self-sabotaging, so MZ doesn't need to be worried at all. Carmack's vision was a cheap device that could hit mass market, and that's where the real game still is. Also, games.

$3500 is pretty cheap for the HW it provides. An iPhone 14 Pro Max starts at $1100 and has nowhere near the HW that this device has, let alone the economics of scale.

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Post by hamburglar »

seydor wrote: post #286
wahahah wrote: post #280

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So I can drink my coffee, use my keyboard, or eat my popcorn.

assuming that handtracking doesnt confuse you eating popcorn with pinching gesture. But anyway i hope your headset doesnt smell of popcorn and coffee afterwards

As a quest pro owner, I can tell you that trying to do anything with your hands, such as take a sip of coffee, is extremely awkward, and so is the act of attempting to pick up the controllers after setting them down to do something. Same goes for handing off the headset for someone else to have a turn. There’s always this super awkward controller transfer and they fumble to orient them the right way in their hands, frequently accidentally swapping left and right and then discovering it’s hard to swap them without dropping them because you have to hold both in one hand.

Not having the controllers at all would be very nice for this. Not sure it’s worth losing the haptics though.

And given how little you actually touch the headset, you’d really have to be some kind of sloppy maniac to end up with it “smelling of popcorn and coffee.”

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unobatbayar wrote: post #140
veidr wrote: post #101

I use the Quest Pro right now, because my interest in spatial computing (I like Apple's new term so trying to use it, haha) is greater than my misgivings about Meta (even though those are significant). I will buy the Apple thing, too. There are a lot of interesting differences between them (obviously, the biggest one being the price, and deriving from that) but the one I find interesting is Apple's decision not to ha…

Meta Quest 3 really looks like it's made by Xiaomi, matches their entire theme and price range. What made you buy it?

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Post by nailer »

xwdv wrote: post #232
tjpnz wrote: post #157

>could be the vision of the future of computing, but like, it’s not the one that I want. We'll have to wait and see with Vision Pro, but it's already pretty clear that Zuckerberg's vision is not one that anyone wants.

No one wants the Vision Pro. All the progress of mankind has culminated to this one point in time where we can create entirely new realities before our eyes in stunning fidelity. And what do we use this technology for? Going to work. Talking to people about work. Sitting in the dark watching pictures and videos by yourself.

Creativity takes work. As someone who makes things I want the vision pro.

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Post by spiderice »

seydor wrote: post #203
tjpnz wrote: post #196

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They're using it for games, but not Horizon Worlds which is arguably the vision.

That should be taken as a hint that people don't want VR video conferencing which is the target use for Apple's headset. TBH i don't want an avatar face, real faces in a simple Zoom call are more expressive.

> which is the target use for Apple's headset

Just because it can do VR video conferencing doesn't mean it is THE target use case. Reducing something as complex as Apple's headset to one of its features is disingenuous. That's like claiming the target use case of iPhone is playing Candy Crush.

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Post by prawn »

wellthisisgreat wrote: post #311
prawn wrote: post #178

I think the reason Apple pitched a device for solo use is that at the price point they needed, you can't bank on your friends having one, or multiple headsets in the house, or everyone at the office. I bet they figured the display quality is the crux, and other decisions flowed from there: needed more power, necessitating the power brick; expensive; early adopters likely to be richer people using it for content consu…

How is there a non-solo use for the 3D blindfold? Are we expected to sit in the living room with goggles on our heads watching a movie? I mean casually like it’s TV. I had a 3D glasses projector and the friction for glasses was way less and still it sucked socially. The overall push to get people put boxes on their heads is so depressing

First thrust will be solo content consumption and mild work (emails and text docs). And yes, a fair number of early users will sit on the couch or be in bed watching a movie/show, experiencing an immersive environment or reading a book/site handsfree. It will be limited to wealthier people to start, but it will grow as the product iterates and becomes more affordable.

Soon enough, it will be a hybrid of WFH and the office. Some employers will provide this and accept employees working from home if it's consistently used. At some employers, you will see a colleague working in your periphery (as though at a desk beside you) and be able to toggle a pane from your display as visible to them and discuss/share interacting with it and their persona.

Employers will buy a $3500 headset rather than laptop, displays, desk, chairs, and letted office space. You can find that depressing, but I don't think it can be stopped for a fair portion of typical office workers.

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Post by NBJack »

robbiep wrote: post #298
zmmmmm wrote: post #284

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yep .... and Apple has the same problem The fundamental question is what are they really useful for after the novelty wears off. It's not clear to me that Apple has done anything to change that fundamental issue.

Well - frankly no one has any idea about apple’s, because no one is using it. All anyone can have on Apple’s is an opinion. With Meta’s there’s evidence. Maybe it will meet the same fate. You’ve got probably the same idea as me

There are some folks that got early access to the device for reviw. At least one certainly made it clear there's not much going on with it.

Maybe they are trying to keep their killer app under wraps? That floating keyboard certainly isn't it.

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Post by fomine3 »

hyuuu wrote: post #130
makeitdouble wrote: post #97

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Blackberry was making their own hardware and OS to almost the same extent as Apple does today...are you arguing that Apple will be the next BlackBerry ?

I am sure people have said the same argument about Blackberry being the next

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