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Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by nailer »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #337
nailer wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, Reddit leans left of the general population. Again, this doesn’t preclude there being a multitude of political affiliations on Reddit. I’ve been very consistent on this and think you’ve done very poorly in response. It’s possible you’re so angry you’re not even reading what you’re quoting. But ok.

Your entire point up til now has been that Reddit has had a singular opinion. You have referred to Reddit as a singular entity with a singular set of beliefs and thoughts. Multiple times. > it’s Reddit that is out of touch. > If it’s only Reddit that finds many people’s behaviour objectionable Occam’s Razor would determine that Reddit is the problem Hell, even in this comment you continue to do it. > Again, Reddit le…

Yes, when stating the average of all political discourse on Reddit, one can save time by saying that this is Reddit’s politics. It is only you that is talking about some kind of hive mind.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by mynameisvlad »

nailer wrote: post #341
mynameisvlad wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your entire point up til now has been that Reddit has had a singular opinion. You have referred to Reddit as a singular entity with a singular set of beliefs and thoughts. Multiple times. > it’s Reddit that is out of touch. > If it’s only Reddit that finds many people’s behaviour objectionable Occam’s Razor would determine that Reddit is the problem Hell, even in this comment you continue to do it. > Again, Reddit le…

Yes, when stating the average of all political discourse on Reddit, one can save time by saying that this is Reddit’s politics. It is only you that is talking about some kind of hive mind.

Gotta love the continuous amount of gaslighting you keep on trying to pull off.

Do you actually believe the things you write? Like actually?

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by Takennickname »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #51
deergomoo wrote: post #18

Good read. Interesting that the author’s takeaway is that folks consider Digg v4 to be a catastrophic launch because of the myriad technical issues. I don’t even remember there being technical issues, I just remember logging in one day to find a website I enjoyed replaced with a bunch of crap I wasn’t interested in.

This is why I’m excited for the Reddit third party apps change. In a few years nobody will remember that this is what precipitated the fall of Reddit. It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Even the smaller subs catch the contagion year over year. I’ve been a Redditor since before the narwhal baconed at midnight.…

You comment is flagged. Guess the mods here are no different lol.

Anyway, for me, "Narwhal baconed at midnight" was when I realized the site was overrun was kids. Slow decline while obsessively looking for alternatives since then.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by Takennickname »

afavour wrote: post #92
unsupp0rted wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I’m excited for the Reddit third party apps change. In a few years nobody will remember that this is what precipitated the fall of Reddit. It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Even the smaller subs catch the contagion year over year. I’ve been a Redditor since before the narwhal baconed at midnight.…

I’ve also been a Redditor for well over a decade. While I miss the days when it was a smaller niche site (before the Digg implosion it was basically a nerdier, smaller Digg) I still use and enjoy the site plenty today. I have never been accused of being a racist transphobe whatever, if that’s your number one issue with the site maybe some inward reflection is in order? Just don’t get involved in political flamewars,…

My friend. Of course you don't know what he is talking about. When you ask a fish what is water? It doesn't know. It was surrounded by it it's whole life.

When you ask a reddit mod what is bias? It doesn't know. It was surrounded by it its whole life.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by nailer »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #342
nailer wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, when stating the average of all political discourse on Reddit, one can save time by saying that this is Reddit’s politics. It is only you that is talking about some kind of hive mind.

Gotta love the continuous amount of gaslighting you keep on trying to pull off. Do you actually believe the things you write? Like actually?

Yes of course. Do you genuinely think any evaluation of Reddit’s political axis is an assertion that everyone on the site is the same?

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by ubercore »

_qxau wrote: post #259
ubercore wrote: post #17

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Yeah this is covered in pretty much every style guide, tutorial, and reference. And is an easy screener in an interview. I'm also surprised anyone using Python as more than a toy experiment had this issue, especially in such a critical service.

I've worked on a lot of Python as a hobbyist and student, much of it in real world use - probably at least 100kloc - and I've never encountered this. Where is this information? I'm worried that I'm missing some other "obvious" things. I've of course run into python's shallow vs deep copies, but I don't remember default values being shared between invocations.

If you do a search for "python common gotchas" it's almost certain to come up, usually pretty prominently.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by dghlsakjg »

yung_steezy wrote: post #338
dghlsakjg wrote: post #292

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You asked if you were being toxic. I answered yes. As someone who has built communities online and in the real world, you are someone that, at best, needs careful management. I wouldn’t willingly include you in a team or community. I’ve done life or death stuff with the teams I built, I’m pretty good at this. From reading through here plenty of other people think similarly. You are more willing to argue than you are…

This post comes across as pretty judgemental. I'm not sure if ad hominen attacks like this are contributing to the conversation.

Normally I would refrain.

Here’s what I was originally responding to.

> Does it seem to you like the kind of person you’re interacting with is reasonable here but unreasonable to the point of group toxicity elsewhere? Or that I'm unreasonable here?

This isn’t an ad hominem attack. He asked for a judgment on his personal behavior.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by HelloMcFly »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #331
HelloMcFly wrote: post #321

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My own experience indicates that people seeking those subs out also have a higher likelihood of being intentionally provocative, and the line between "provocative" and "troll" is very different for very different people.

The main problem with Reddit, and the crux of my point, is that year on year the problem creeps into even the smaller and intentionally non -political subs. If interacting every day, it's getting harder not to be labeled an -ic or -ist of some kind in a sizable home town sub or a sub about a generic tv show. That problem doesn't seem to exist on HN: more often people reply to the content of the comment without labeli…

> The main problem with Reddit, and the crux of my point, is that year on year the problem creeps into even the smaller and intentionally non-political subs.

My main problem with your conclusion is that this does not comport with my - and seemingly many others - experience, and my brief time as a mod has shown me that people who believe themselves to be victims often don't appreciate or admit their own culpability.

But I can't say that with any certainty, you're a whole human being with your own lived experiences, and I've no desire to review your reddit comment history either way. I do appreciate you are not the only one that feels as you do. I just can't square my experience with the one you claim impacts "every user" which is, quite frankly, preposterous and one of the main reasons I have a hard time taking your observations at face value.

But that's about all I have to say on the matter.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by mistermann »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #308
raxxorraxor wrote: post #306

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No, it is not obvious at all if you are not able to read minds. It never is and even suggesting bad faith is usually regarded as a faux pas. You believe the example was asked in bad faith? I heavily doubt it, it is a pure insinuation. I believe you are just walrussing here. edit: Never mind, "walrussing" allegedly does exist. But I believe the criticism still can be understood.

You don’t have to be able to read minds to see context clues and use intuition. Some even call those basic life skills. Just because you can’t does not make it impossible. > You believe the example was asked in bad faith? When, exactly, did I claim that? Show me the exact quote because it doesn’t exist. Making up things other said is a very obvious way to tell if someone is coming with bad intent.

> You don’t have to be able to read minds to see context clues and use intuition.

Intuition yields belief, but beliefs and knowledge are not the same even though they are typically indistinguishable to the one who holds them.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by mistermann »

yung_steezy wrote: post #338
dghlsakjg wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You asked if you were being toxic. I answered yes. As someone who has built communities online and in the real world, you are someone that, at best, needs careful management. I wouldn’t willingly include you in a team or community. I’ve done life or death stuff with the teams I built, I’m pretty good at this. From reading through here plenty of other people think similarly. You are more willing to argue than you are…

This post comes across as pretty judgemental. I'm not sure if ad hominen attacks like this are contributing to the conversation.

Well, not the conversation maybe, but if this sort of thing was banned we would have much less opportunity to study the phenomenon.
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