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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by turingfeel »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #185
turingfeel wrote: post #103

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It doesn’t run any desktop apps yet though, only Safari and Photos and a few content apps. They also demoed mirroring only a single Mac display. I think people are overlooking this and expecting to get multi monitor displays for heavy workload apps like on the Meta Quest Pro, but Apple are committed as always to making this a standalone system.

It's not going to be successful unless Apple get this right. I expect a lot of people here spend a lot of their time looking at text in various development environments. with a smaller number working on content creation. I would love a huge virtual area with multiple screen so I can see far more of whatever I'm working on. That would be a game changer. But Safari, 3D movies, Avatar FaceTime, and maybe some games? And…

I agree, and I’m pretty worried that really is all that’s being offered on day one.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by neuronic »

asimpletune wrote: post #248
ricardobayes wrote: post #95

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It never made sense back then and neither does now. The new iPhone is what, the best part of 1300 Euros here in Spain. A full monthly salary...

Apple's position, in so many words, is that if you want a cheaper iPhone, buy an older model. Their products are so good, that the budget model is just the old one. For example, I have an iPhone 11. I got it the day it came out, and I really don't need another phone. I will continue to use this one until it breaks, or probably for another 5 years, whichever comes first. Maybe for some people, it's beneath them to buy…

That's to the point. There is also less and less reason to upgrade quickly nowadays. My phone is a 12 Pro and I see less than zero need to upgrade. For example, 120Hz display is super nice but downgrading from it is far more jarring than upgrading to it is beneficial. 60Hz is absolutely good enough for years but only if it isn't a downgrade from 120Hz.

I can also see my M1 MBP last as long as my trusty 2009 MBP which crapped out around 2016 (7 years!). It also means less waste and less consumerism which is a positive byproduct in my mind.

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Post by bee_rider »

Someone wrote: post #299
gtirloni wrote: post #294

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Wedding videos classify as "shooting a movie"?

I think they do in the context of “even including material shot by amateurs with their phones” and comparing them to a market that includes self-published books. People often hire professionals to shoot them.

IMO self-published books would be better compared to self-published movies (which isn’t what the original commenter said, but they were just too obviously wrong).

So this would include things like YouTube videos, Twitch, etc, but not a private wedding video that doesn’t get published.

I bet the videos still win.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by philistine »

signatoremo wrote: post #261
true_religion wrote: post #230

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Most of what I do with computers is reading browser windows. Merely being able to do that on a nice screen is enough for me. I don’t want to or need to get directions for assembling my furniture. Heck, in real life, I like many people will just fiddle with the furniture and read no directions at all…

What if just not instructions, but instructions from the perspective of your eyes? Imagine an interactive instruction that guides you step by step according to your progress

Imagine putting a floating PDF in the air next to the pile of parts and you get 90% of the experience for 10% of the dev effort. That's what Apple is clearly focused on. Making your regular computer use functional while wearing techno googly eyes. That's Apple's killer app. AR is not going to get a lot of those experience investments because it makes no monetary sense. It's a massive money and time sink for a very fickle audience. Disney announced exactly what you're asking for, but it's crystal clear that we'll get something like four things a year. Maybe next season of Captain America gets a cool interactive border when looking at it. You can put Disney World on your kitchen table.

No one will care and studios are going to explore this field until they converge on a cheap but good enough standard to enhance their regular content. Maybe it will be a projection of the color palette of the scene outside the viewport. Maybe they will scan the surroundings of the scene and project it. But I'm pretty sure they'll just tout the quality of the 3D experience and that'll be good enough.

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Post by bjelkeman-again »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #287
op00to wrote: post #237

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“After exchange”. What’s the total price before the value of the trade in phone? Jeez.

Before any discounts, exchanges or offers, the Galaxy S23 is $925. The iPhone 14 is $986.

So if the €1300 above includes the VAT, then we are in the same ballpark.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by bobo_legos »

dontlaugh wrote: post #253
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

Correct, it is pointless. It could have had a killer app: games. Most VR headsets suck in one way or another, Apple could make one that's actually nice to use. Sadly, for some bizarre reason Apple still don't understand games. They even have pretty good GPUs now and they're still not making an Apple TV Pro to compete with the PS5. Even just the Vision could've been announced along with a couple exclusives, but instea…

What's strange to me is that they roll out Hideo Kojima to talk about some gaming thing for the Mac OS, yet when it came to the headset all they can give is some creepy demos of a fathers wearing this thing while their kinds play at home.

Could they really not have given some units to some game devs and tell them to come up with some cool ideas?

This thing just feels incredibly rushed. It's like Apple felt left out of the all the AI hype the last couple months, so they were forced to show this thing before it was really ready.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

macNchz wrote: post #265
omeze wrote: post #242

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The first iphone let you have a real web browser anywhere you had cell coverage. This lets you have a web browser floating at home. Its not the same (and I love VR)

I didn’t get one until the 3G came out, but I have a very clear memory of the “wow!” feeling: right after buying the phone, I went down the street to a coffee shop and started browsing the web while waiting in line. I was instantly cured of my prior skepticism that it could actually be a major improvement over my flip phone + iPod.

Also GPS maps with that shiny glass dot. You bought a phone, and you got a GPS navigator for free.

I had a friend who had just bought a high end Nokia. We arranged to meet for lunch. She got hopelessly lost because Nokia's GPS and mapping were crap.

Apple's just worked. Same with the App Store.

I'd guess this is going to have some kind of VApp Store. But I suspect what it really needs is plain old MacOS running everything as usual, with slightly customised support for virtual displays.

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Post by plagiarist »

PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

I am also waiting to see what the killer app is.

I think it may be positioned more for professional use and then, "oh yeah, you can have a great movie and game experience, too."

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by nathanasmith »

ttul wrote: post #211
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

The first iPhone was pretty crappy. No apps. 2G only. Poor battery life. Limited global distribution - not even Canada could get it. But it captivated people who didn’t own it yet, and it proved out some essential ideas like multitouch. And when the iPhone 3G came out, improving on some of the original device’s shortcomings, it was wildly popular. The rest is history. There is no doubt that AR will eventually get goo…

The first iPhone was fantastic. The instant people saw it they wanted it and when they laid hands on it they needed it. The Apple Vision on the other hand is.. a screen strapped to your face.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by jayd16 »

PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

Well, yes. This is the early adoption device they expect to bootstrap their app store with all the niche things you described.
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