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Where have all the hackers gone?

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Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Better title for this would be "Where have all the language nerds gone from my personal circle of friends?"

There are lots of hackers out there, but we're not all obsessed with creating new languages needlessly. I mean sure, I have my own pet language I hack on, but the author would probably call me a "non-hacker" because I prioritized readability over fancy language features like a novel garbage collectors. Gosh.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Have other people observed the sentiment the author observes, around hackers being less common? The author has a list of reasons (VC money, business culture, managers, fear of the unknown). I, personally, have observed this reduction over my career, and I have my own idea of why that might be, my own phrasing of it. Perhaps it gets at the same thing as the author from a different angle. I think the reason, plain and…

I'm a new (and young) hacker and I agree with what you are saying.

Are there any communities and/or forums of people who are passionate about building and hacking purely for the sake of passion that I can join?

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Pre 00's hackers, or pre 80's for that matter, mostly tinkered with physical things... pulling apart a radio, remote controlled toy or reading popular mechanics. Now, you can do so much in pure software, and it's far easier and less expensive that it's the direction most will go. That doesn't mean there weren't hackers or nearly as proportionate an amount of them before the 00's. For that matter, my great grandfather…

Yeah, a part of it is that there's not really a mechanic class in the way that there used to be. I mentioned that's how my grandpa got his start: He was obsessed with TVs and repaired them/made his own FrankenTVs as a side from his automotive job, which in turn meant that when the computer and arcade revolution hit my dad had the tools and expertise to get really into things like pinball machines, Pong, and Atari lea…

A lot of products aren't as hackable as they used to be. The obvious comparisons are comparing early laptops to the laptops of today and likewise with old and new smartphones. There are far fewer ports, more soldered on components, and they are harder to even take apart. And there's plenty more electronics where the cost/benefit to figuring out how to repair a product versus just buying a replacement doesn't make sense anymore, but also as you mentioned the mindset isn't as prevalent.

I wish I personally had more opportunity to tinker as a child but I'm glad I have a chance to catch up now, though I'm not really sure where to start. (And I don't have as much time to dedicate since I need to find a full-time job)

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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I don't think so. You can easily play around in the browser, using Javascript, or on https://processing.org/ , https://playground.tensorflow.org/ , https://scratch.mit.edu/ , etc. If anything the problem is that today's kids have too many options. And sure, some are commercial.

There's a huge difference between something being gamified and something being play , particularly unstructured play . Scratch is great, but it's structured and something presented by adults to children for learning. That has a whole bunch of social baggage attached as well as a 'win' condition set by adults. Also I'd say that the transition to hackerdom probably could truly take place at late elementary/middle schoo…

While I see your point, I think you're not giving Scratch enough credit. Admittedly, I don't know the culture around it today but back when I was a child the Scratch community was made up of kids who were there by choice, not because adults presented it to them. I certainly found it on my own, and had a swell time tinkering with it.

> That has a whole bunch of social baggage attached as well as a 'win' condition set by adults.

I'm not sure what you mean by this? I don't remember anything about winning besides the whole social media aspect of trying to get popular among all the cool projects that other people had by getting the largest number of likes and remixes.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Similarly, as I've been promoted (and spend more time advising), my skills have atrophied I used to be excellent at kernel hacking, random Linux things that would often be several-weeks trials. Now that I'm not 'in it' constantly, mostly just advising, I've lost a lot of that sharpness Doesn't help the onslaught of the day really kills my desire to learn/play around

not to beat the constant drum of anti-capitalism, but this is the effect that we get when every company is for-profit and massive growth. curiosity doesn't have a direct path to profit, and so most people are stuck working on moving metrics, and nothing else. one can make the argument "well you have free time on the side, just do it then if youre truly interested" but realistically most people, myself included, are c…

> this is the effect that we get when every company is for-profit and massive growth

I am a huge fan of capitalism and yet I also wish we saw a lot more small-to-medium sized companies where the focus is on a product you can be proud of, satisfied customers, and especially, happy employees. While I'm wishing I might as well add a shorter work week and more time spent on the auxiliary parts of engineering / development (maintenance, training, contributing to OSS dependencies, community service, etc.).

Then again, I've never been employed full time before so I don't know how it is in the industry anyways.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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This is like every possible language war trope stitched together into a narrative.

Hey, author here, and generally a fan of your contributions here. I'd love your feedback if you're up for sharing it.

I feel like we have all lost sight of what Dijkstra noted: it is all about the computation (paraphrasing).

Also what is missing from much of today's programming training is a problem solving attitude. The focus seems to be overwhelmingly on tools and arguments about tools, not about how to solve problems.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Have other people observed the sentiment the author observes, around hackers being less common? The author has a list of reasons (VC money, business culture, managers, fear of the unknown). I, personally, have observed this reduction over my career, and I have my own idea of why that might be, my own phrasing of it. Perhaps it gets at the same thing as the author from a different angle. I think the reason, plain and…

I think the hacker culture of the ‘90s to early ‘00s is behind us, and it really saddens me. I’ve yet to find a corner of the current tech / startup landscape that ignites the same excitement I felt over a decade ago. It’s too commercial now.

I feel like there's a lot of great stuff going on at https://www.crowdsupply.com but it's very hardware centric.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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I'd qualify as one (not one of the "break into places types") but I hack around software and hardware. I'd engage with the world more if I knew where my next meal was coming from - and if having that meal would still allow some freedom to "hack". I think one of the reasons a lot of the "hackers" existed mostly in the past is these people never had to worry about where their next meal was coming from, even if they had other fears and worries (cough cold war cough).

Power and privilege would be important keywords here.

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