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Post by guerrilla »

gusgus01 wrote: post #122
guerrilla wrote: post #73

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The person wasn't talking about policy but about how people aggressively pretend like these drugs can do no harm. You can have a completely free policy while also being honest and accurate about what the drugs do and what can happen.

I had a similar thought. I talk about how delicious Japanese, Korean, Indian, etc food is, but don't warn people that .23% of Americans are allergic to Sesame oil which is used often in those cuisines. Same can be said about products that contain say peanuts. Would you say people aggressively pretend like those foods do no harm if they aren't caveating their love of it with facts about allergy rates and impact? Furth…

People don't say that it's impossible for peanuts to hurt you. That's the difference.

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Post by Aerbil313 »

Trasmatta wrote: post #255
curl-up wrote: post #247

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Yellow/beige/brown spheres for me as well. Other commenter had spheres also. I never even thought that this might be something others experienced. Sadly, trying to find more information on this only delivers "dream interpretation" BS content. For me, the feeling of dread did not come from me "having to move spheres but not being able to" however. It came from "knowing that these spheres will be moving no matter what…

That optical illusion gave me a hint of the original feeling. On my drug trips it was also highly correlated with a spinning or vibrating sensation, which also seems somewhat present in that illusion. There's something really interesting here about this shared type of experience that many people are reporting. All a bit different, but a very similar feeling. I feel like others online must have discussed this type of…

I was a lucid dreamer. Many things mentioned in this thread overlap with my experience, especially hypnagogia [0] (tingling, vibrations, spinning etc.) while attempting to lucid dream with a WILD (Wake-Induced Lucid Dream) technique.

Lucid dreaming is totally learnable but internet is full of clickbait scammers. I can recommend reliable sources to learn if anyone wants.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by Aerbil313 »

Trasmatta wrote: post #136
Waterluvian wrote: post #124

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> That it’s absurd how much suffering the human mind is capable of experiencing. When I was 8 or 9 I had a night terror that involved some sort of life-sized game of Tetris that was moving terribly fast. My brain wholly adopted the belief that if I were to lose, everyone I loved would die horribly. I was trapped in this night terror for what felt like forever. Afterwards I refused to sleep voluntarily for weeks. To t…

I think I know the feeling exactly. I had recurrent dreams like that as a kid, that somehow always involved a large yellow sphere / ball. For some unknown reason I HAD to move that sphere, but I also knew it was impossible. It evoked this odd and terrible sensation emerging from two opposing mental forces: there was something I HAD to do at all costs but I also knew it was entirely impossible at the same time. My “ba…

Similar to others, mine was moving incredibly slowly trying to escape a monster in childhood fever dreams.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by Aerbil313 »

jasonm23 wrote: post #309
Trasmatta wrote: post #79

I’ve noticed a troubling trend among psychonauts: any reports of terrible experiences or long lasting negative effects of psychedelics are waved away in two different ways: 1 - blaming of the person who had the experience, for not having the proper “set and setting”, or not respecting the drug. 2 - claiming that there’s no such thing as a “bad trip”, and only a challenging one that takes time to integrate. There migh…

Does any of this justify making the substances illegal? > but I worry that we’re underselling the risks Anyone with an ounce of sense knows exactly what bans and prohibition lead to. I don't mean to take away any of the "I had a bad time" stories, my point is prohibiting leads to worse times, mandatory paranoia, decreased likelihood to reach out for help in even medical emergencies, and that's without going into how…

> Anyone with an ounce of sense knows exactly what bans and prohibition lead to.

Just a counter example, muslims have been very successfull in prohibiton of all kinds of drugs and alcohol since 15 centuries.

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Post by freedom2099 »

I am surprised by the amount of people doing psychedelics here! I know no one… and even expanding the drug pool at best I know a guy doing weed maybe once every 2 years. Is that common in the US doing drugs?

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Post by skjoldr »

dathinab wrote: post #179
siva7 wrote: post #13

Both those trip reports are very unusual for psylocibin and LSD. It looks to me that the author might have other health complications that caused the bad trips. As a general advice one should be very careful when taking psychedelics with other prescribed medications or having a history of mental illness.

> It looks to me that the author might have other health complications that caused the bad trips. This doesn't matter and is a very misleading IMHO. Because people having some per-existing conditions they don't know about and hasn't caused anything but supper middle issues is _extremely high_. EDIT (extremely likely to have some condition, not neccessary a condition which interacts with the drug you are about to take…

You mitigate that risk by going into psychotherapy and finding a therapist who is a good fit for you before trying mind-altering substances. It's fairly obvious if you think of drugs as an extremely potent medicine for issues you weren't even conscious of. Any protocol for treatment of mental disorders starts with a disclaimer that psychotherapy should be the first step unless your situation is quite unusual. Then, if it so happens that your therapist thinks that there is nothing really wrong with you and that you won't get any real benefits from continuing to attend therapeutic sessions, and if you do not have any family history of inheritable mental disorders, you can try hallucinogens. It might be that most of the stuff written about psychedelics on the Internet doesn't treat them with this amount of respect, but the responsibility for your mental health is ultimately on you, and the information about the benefits of psychotherapy and the dangers of going into a trip with an improper set is out there.

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Post by x86x87 »

tptacek wrote: post #266
x86x87 wrote: post #120

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Are you saying bleach is not carefully regulated? My point was that we are commonly using medication that can have devastating effects - and the precise dosages do not account for the imprecise body weight and sensitivity to the substance of the person taking it.

Bleach is not regulated the way Tylenol is, no.

Yes. It's not a TRUE regulation!

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by dathinab »

skjoldr wrote: post #346
dathinab wrote: post #179

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> It looks to me that the author might have other health complications that caused the bad trips. This doesn't matter and is a very misleading IMHO. Because people having some per-existing conditions they don't know about and hasn't caused anything but supper middle issues is _extremely high_. EDIT (extremely likely to have some condition, not neccessary a condition which interacts with the drug you are about to take…

You mitigate that risk by going into psychotherapy and finding a therapist who is a good fit for you before trying mind-altering substances. It's fairly obvious if you think of drugs as an extremely potent medicine for issues you weren't even conscious of. Any protocol for treatment of mental disorders starts with a disclaimer that psychotherapy should be the first step unless your situation is quite unusual. Then, i…

That's why I said it has potential in health care, where it could be prescribed by a therapist who knows well about this topic and involved risks.

I.e. I did not mean self-medicated health care.

While there had been limitations for research on this topics because of questionable laws they now are often somewhat relaxed.

So by now there are some experimental treatment studies which use psychedelics to treat depression patients which the normal health care system failed to treat.

One important factor is that therapy is always the foundation/basis of such treatments while the well controlled psychedelic trip is often the _last_ step in the treatment.

I forgot about the details but I think it was something along the line of being depressed long term conditioning you brain to be depressed (even if the original source is gone) and psychedelics helping you overcoming this after you already started working on de-conditioning yourself.

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Post by javaunsafe2019 »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #226
miles wrote: post #199

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>> Legalization leads to better education > It also leads to more cases of abuse. Citation needed. Here are a few counter reports: Pointers From Portugal on Addiction and the Drug War [1]: "Opioid overdose deaths fell after Portugal’s policy change. So did new cases of diseases associated with injection drug use, such as hepatitis C and H.I.V." Portugal’s radical drugs policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied i…

Minimal google searching yields plenty of results. Here’s one for you: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abst... “As Magdalena Cerdá, the study’s lead author, and her coauthors wrote in JAMA Psychiatry, “Although occasional marijuana use is not associated with substantial problems, long-term, heavy use is linked to psychological and physical health concerns, lower educational attainment, decline…

I think it was asked for a study to back up the claim that legalization increases consumption
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