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Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by atlasunshrugged »

weard_beard wrote: post #314
ddoolin wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok disappearing from tens of millions of iPhones overnight (I have no idea about Androids) would probably work pretty well. If I had to guess, almost none of those people can jailbreak their iPhone to get it again, either. Your option would be to switch to Android and learn to sideload apps (which I think is pretty damn easy these days). The point is not to enforce against individual users, just to remove it from…

Did anyone else notice this bill includes a provision that requires the department of Commerce to inform the president Quiet part when wall street has made such a cockup of gambling Quiet part that it becomes a national security risk and gives him the power to issue an Executive Order requiring the general investing public sell that particular stock so hedge funds can pay off their debt? S.686 https://www.congress.go…

Which section is that in? I didn't read anything that way but maybe I need to re-read

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by atlasunshrugged »

jasmer wrote: post #334
withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

The Congressional Hearing was a clown show, but there are hugely material issues of National Security and trade parity to contend with. China is putting itself on a direct 'war footing' path with respect to Taiwan and the likelihood of conflict is worriesome. That conflict will make Ukraine look like a side show, and will involve Japan, Korea, Philippines, Australia, US - and incidentally Vietnam, Singapore, Canada -…

Yeah, I'd be skeptical that an event like a Congressional hearing with a 5 min format per speaker was ever going to really drill down into nuanced issues, if only by nature of the time limit.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by deltree7 »

withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

Don't worry about the US. It is still the greatest country and will remain so for at least 50 years.

It's reddit/HN who have never traveled or lived outside US that has jaded your view of US.

You know which country released chatGPT? or NVIDIA A100 or made a huge step towards Quantum Computing / Nuclear Fusion?

I'd rather congress focus on irrelevant details, while startups solve / tackle important issues. When it really comes to it, Congress will get their act together, but anything before is pure meddling in one of the greatest systems that is producing unbelievable innovations at an alarming rate.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by BaculumMeumEst »

withinboredom wrote: post #270
ddoolin wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok disappearing from tens of millions of iPhones overnight (I have no idea about Androids) would probably work pretty well. If I had to guess, almost none of those people can jailbreak their iPhone to get it again, either. Your option would be to switch to Android and learn to sideload apps (which I think is pretty damn easy these days). The point is not to enforce against individual users, just to remove it from…

You can freely install apps on your iphone. All you need is an Apple computer. It only can be used for a week? before you have to install it again. I don't pay apple a dime and still develop software for iPhones occasionally without any issues. Also, websites are pretty powerful. Apple even allowed websites to send notifications now.

What percentage of TikTok users are you expecting to do either of those two things in order to access the app if it’s banned by the federal government?

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by brigadier132 »

vetinari wrote: post #323
brigadier132 wrote: post #307

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Ok, so you gave a good reason for China to ban US companies and you haven't given a good one for why the US shouldn't ban TikTok.

China never claimed that they value freedom, (whatever you define as freedom). They value harmony instead, (whatever you define as harmony). By US banning TikTok, US is acting against claimed values, turning out to be hypocrite. China, by banning US social media, doesn't. Might be seen unfair, but it is a dead end that US painted itself into. For the sake of argument, _if_ we agree that banning is OK, EU should ban s…

Why do people have this delusion that empowering oppressive governments promotes freedom in any way?

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by withinboredom »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #311
withinboredom wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can freely install apps on your iphone. All you need is an Apple computer. It only can be used for a week? before you have to install it again. I don't pay apple a dime and still develop software for iPhones occasionally without any issues. Also, websites are pretty powerful. Apple even allowed websites to send notifications now.

If you believe that a significant portion of iOS users are going to set up an Apple development account and manually reinstall TikTok every week then I have a bridge to sell you. They will just switch to a different social network, which is equally destructive but not Chinese.

I didn’t do anything special. I just installed Xcode, and bam. Done.

We ripped CDs so we didn’t have to buy them. Hell, we sat by boomboxes until the right song came on the radio just to push record on the tape player.

Kids will do whatever it takes to get what they want. I’d buy that bridge.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by einpoklum »

FormerBandmate wrote: post #289
throwaway4837 wrote: post #176

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Sadly, it has nothing to do with "talking about how 'kids' might be influenced by an algorithm", because if it did, they would be trying to ban Facebook, Instagram, and other social media services that have the exact same effect as TikTok on children. This is really meant to be a punch in the fight against China. US government does not want any possibility of US citizens' data being in the hands of China and their qu…

Well yeah, ByteDance directly takes orders from the Chinese government. Big Tech can also take orders from the American government, but America is bound by the rule of law and isn't actively imprisoning millions in concentration camps so it's way better

> but [the USA] is bound by the rule of law

Of course it is! and storks deliver babies and the moon is yellow because it's made of cheese.

> [The USA] isn't actively imprisoning millions in concentration camps

It's actively imprisoning millions in prisons. What's the difference between a prison and a concentration camp? Perhaps the guards twirling their evil mustache more?

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by _8j50 »

withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

The majority of americans agree with this decision. You may not like it but HN audience is very tech savvy and is influenced by popular thinking in tech.

The sentiment against assamge, patriot act, even the iraq war was popular at the time.

Now I have tried to make a rational argument for this ban but all I got was downvotes even bots/people downvoting every unrelated thing I post probably including this post.

You need to engage in polite discourse with others and change their minds not complain about the government.

And believe me when I say, having seen how things are in other countries, as bad as things are in the US I wouldn't trade it for any other country.

You've all chosen to whine in your bubbles instead of a healthy debate. Enjoy the result.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by atlasunshrugged »

remarkEon wrote: post #249

The media coverage of this (and the title of this submission, which I argue should be changed to the actual title of the bill) are really confusing everyone - both in here and elsewhere. There is a Senate bill[1] called "S.85 - No TikTok on United States Devices Act", which is very short and seems to only do one thing, and that's ban TikTok. This bill is in committee. There is another Senate bill[2], called "S.686 -…

I think the RESTRICT Act is the one being held up as the ban bill because it's bipartisan and considered most likely to 1) actually move to a vote because of that and 2) creates a legal framework for a ban rather than just implementing one which is likely to be unwound by a court and found unconstitutional without it
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