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Post by wolverine876 »

mrexroad wrote: post #329
wolverine876 wrote: post #288

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We won the Lotto? Over 6.8 million people, including over 1 million Americans died. Many more suffer from long-term damage. The economic cost was astronomical.

Sorry, yeah, we’re in agreement here, my comment was poorly worded — I meant the death rate and global economic damage would have been beyond catastrophic had it become more virulent as it became more transmissible. Yes, it was bad, really bad (my healthy 40y/o friend was on death bed at start), and to hear someone say it’s “not that bad” or “no worse than a bad cold” is beyond the pale. I think my lotto comment was…

Yes, I agree completely.

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coldtea wrote: post #310
wolverine876 wrote: post #292

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> the number one source of information of citizens should be real life experience with other citizens that they're actively learning from (their issues, grievances, etc with laws, political decisions, officials, etc) and collaborate with. Not the media. How can the real life experiences of people I know possibly inform me about Ukraine, Chinese foreign policy, the SVB bailout, pandemic issues, etc. etc. etc.?

Democracy begins at home. If there's no active citizenry with real-world knowledge from discussion, colloboration, and participation in domestic issues, then there's just individuals being governed like cattle, and they being informed on whatever foreign issue doesn't matter: they'll just be listening to whatever those in power will be doing, like they do in domestic issues. Also notice how I said "the number one sou…

Two points:

1. I think serious news media (not just any news media) is more reliable than 'people you know'. People you know, now manifested in social media, is the vector for the virulant phenomenon of disinformation and misinformation.

> When far more citizens were far more politically active, e.g. in the sixties and seventies for example, you could learn about developments in any part of the US, and actual perspectives and experiences of people involved, be it workers, blacks, gays, student, veterans, and so on - without reading an establishment print media once.

Could you give some examples or evidence of that? Did you experience it yourself? I'm not saying people had no information then, but I think they have far more now via the Internet (information including disinfo and misinfo).

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Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #302
wolverine876 wrote: post #293

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> unless you're of the mindset that red meat is inherently unhealthy It's not a mindset, any more than gravity is a mindset.

Too binary. Red meat is "unhealthy" like spinach is unhealthy, using your logic. A moderate amount, especially lean, is considered a net health positive by the vast majority of the relevant professionals.

The comment before mine set the binary condition. I'm not writing a dissertation here.

> A moderate amount, especially lean, is considered a net health positive by the vast majority of the relevant professionals.

I don't think that's true, but how do you define "net health positive". My understanding is that you are better off without it, but a little won't kill you.

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hot_gril wrote: post #330
wolverine876 wrote: post #284

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You'll end up with a many more anti-worker activity if you don't vote. And you will be ignored. And who will make decisions for you? Who will take on your responsibilities? What other authority is there? When we are children, we can be irresponsibile and our parents ultimately see to them. As adults, there's nobody else; it's just us.

One vote doesn't matter, in fact you get negative value out of it cause it takes time and exposes some of your private info to the public. I vote despite that, only cause I want to. There isn't a logical explanation for it.

> One vote doesn't matter

C'mon, we can think deeper than that. One soldier doesn't matter; are militaries useless? One software developer can't do much on a sizeable project; should we abandon all software? All open source? One journalist, one HN comment, etc. etc. When can one person accomplish much by themselves?

You're right, one person alone doesn't accomplish much, yet somehow humanity has accomplished incredible things. We are social creatures, we naturally work together to build and do amazing things. Please join us! The sky is the limit, and not even that since 1961.

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lynx23 wrote: post #298
wolverine876 wrote: post #297

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People can fabricate whatever they want. They can call a leading newspaper a child kidnapping ring. But reputation refers to something else - there is truth and people do tend strongly toward it; people make functional (not optimal) decisions as a group - that's how democratic self-governent has worked far, far better than any other form of government. It's philosophical theory that human judgment could be just compl…

I ment "you likely typoed that word because you unconsciously dont believe in what you said", which is, stretching the coloquial meaning a bit, a "freudian slip". But reading your text, it is probably useless to talk to you about humorous viewpoints...

Oh please. Try harder. How about some wit? When they switch to ad hominem, they have nothing of merit left (and no sense of humor).

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wolverine876 wrote: post #344
hot_gril wrote: post #330

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One vote doesn't matter, in fact you get negative value out of it cause it takes time and exposes some of your private info to the public. I vote despite that, only cause I want to. There isn't a logical explanation for it.

> One vote doesn't matter C'mon, we can think deeper than that. One soldier doesn't matter; are militaries useless? One software developer can't do much on a sizeable project; should we abandon all software? All open source? One journalist, one HN comment, etc. etc. When can one person accomplish much by themselves? You're right, one person alone doesn't accomplish much, yet somehow humanity has accomplished incredib…

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Post by wolverine876 »

dirtybird04 wrote: post #327
wolverine876 wrote: post #281

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Who is going to make decisions and hold power in our society, if not you and me? We have responsibilities for it; if it's malfunctioning, that is on us. Who will take care of these responsibilities for you? Expecting someone else to do it is playing a victim and a child - it is us, there's nobody else; there are no parents or authorities to take care of us while we act out. People following your path are why nothing…

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Sure, there are some things that won't apply to you, but there are many that do. Also, why limit the scope of importance to state and local - it seems arbitrary. Things all over the world affect you. Look at climate change, as an easy example. (Also, the Antifa trial is in San Diego.)

> pure sensationalism

Political censorship in elite law schools, corruption by your President, AI dangers, justice, political oppression. Those things can certainly affect you and do, and will. The freedom of future Americans and people around the world depends on you - there's nobody else to do it for you. We're on our own. Let's get to work!

While you fight for this narrative, you surrender your power to others who are determing the course of your life. You are doing just want they want.

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Post by LoganDark »

ianai wrote: post #322
LoganDark wrote: post #311

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> Reply with a response that will get the response you want. This is something that I understand, but unfortunately can't really perform for some reason. I always have to be... "honest", for lack of a better word. I will always say something that makes things worse for me because it's... just how I feel. I used to be a pathological liar, and from a young age I had this one friend who was a living lie detector, and th…

That’s not quite lying. It’s just not being interested in a topic and being clear but polite about it.

...Maybe I didn't do a good enough job of trying to avoid that implication, but the point is not "I don't lie anymore" (implying "that would be a lie"), but rather "I now obsessively tell the truth in all situations even when it would be detrimental" (meaning "that would be omitting things I Absolutely Must Say").

In other words, even if I know just saying "ok" would probably work, I feel the need to somehow "brag" or otherwise disclose my proud ignorance, even if that only results in the literal opposite of what I want.

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Post by hot_gril »

wolverine876 wrote: post #344
hot_gril wrote: post #330

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One vote doesn't matter, in fact you get negative value out of it cause it takes time and exposes some of your private info to the public. I vote despite that, only cause I want to. There isn't a logical explanation for it.

> One vote doesn't matter C'mon, we can think deeper than that. One soldier doesn't matter; are militaries useless? One software developer can't do much on a sizeable project; should we abandon all software? All open source? One journalist, one HN comment, etc. etc. When can one person accomplish much by themselves? You're right, one person alone doesn't accomplish much, yet somehow humanity has accomplished incredib…

Like I said, I vote anyway. And I develop software, but they do pay me for that, aside from the fun home projects.

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Post by themitigating »

sammalloy wrote: post #259
initramfs wrote: post #184

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I have lived in suburban, urban, and rural environments. I think the issue is more about whether globalization has changed all that. During the pandemic lockdown, many people were working from home, and some realized that paying for rent in NYC or SF wasn't worth it, if they couldn't go out and enjoy it, so it makes a lot more sense to work from home in a rural area if I am an IT person. That said, I don't think poli…

> The point is that if one is raised believing there will always be a helping hand, it is better to not expect much, even if there is nothing wrong in asking for more help than supposedly more "individualistic" areas I don’t disagree with anything here, except there is a correlation between the amount of trust liberals and conservatives give to people in their community, and one user up above directly addressed how s…

Except for the police, social security, and medicare
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