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“Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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It may actually not. The hypothesis may be that building and maintaining muscle simply increases linearly with the increase of lean muscle mass. If (and these are made up numbers) one lb of lean muscle mass takes 10 cals to maintain, adding 5lbs of muscle would only increase your caloric needs be 50 cals. At 190lb, my BMI is 26.5, but I'm relatively muscular with a body fat % of around 15%. I have more than 5lbs more…

Over the course of a year that’s a pretty significant advantage in overall calories burned, though.

I'm pretty skeptical of their numbers as well. It costs calories to build the muscle in the first place. It's a snowballing effect.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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It may actually not. The hypothesis may be that building and maintaining muscle simply increases linearly with the increase of lean muscle mass. If (and these are made up numbers) one lb of lean muscle mass takes 10 cals to maintain, adding 5lbs of muscle would only increase your caloric needs be 50 cals. At 190lb, my BMI is 26.5, but I'm relatively muscular with a body fat % of around 15%. I have more than 5lbs more…

Over the course of a year that’s a pretty significant advantage in overall calories burned, though.

Is it though?

I would think the 20-40 hours/week of exercise I do has more of an impact on how my calories are burned than the raising of my basal metabolism of the extra 20lbs of muscle I have over a very passive version of myself.

Like if I took a week off and ate the same, I as well would put on fat. Just 50-200 x 7 calories (.10 to .4 lbs) less of it. And that is if my eating habits were the same, which they would not - exercise is an incredibly good appetite stimulant, which people who attempt to exercise to lose weight find out quickly.

What I'm getting at - and maybe what you're getting at to is: long term - decades let's say of lifestyle choices leads to things like diabetes. It's not change that happens in a year. Hard for humans to grok.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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The myth isn’t a myth. It refers to the price of calories, not the price of food by weight. You end up with the cheapest calories being lightly processed grains like rice and flour, then you end up with more processed grains like white bread and ramen, then move to things like peanut butter, before hitting junk food. The point is that the cheapest calories aren’t exactly healthy. The produce aisle tends to be pretty…

An eight pound bag of pinto beans costs $6.88 at my local Walmart and contains over 12,000 calories - that's six days of the 2k calorie diet! Lots of healthy grains like buckwheat and brown rice are available at similar price per calorie and they all require little effort beyond setting a timer for the unattended boiling. Add a couple cents for spices from the value store and a dollar or two for frozen veggies and yo…

Yes, There are exceptions, although, it's worth pointing out that a pinto bean is processed minimally in terms of drying. Like I said, if all you want is calories you can make bread with a 5lb bag of floor and some salt at less than half the cost per calorie of pinto beans.

The point is, if money is tight, which invariably means that time is tight, people don't have time to cook dried pinto beans, or make bread for EVERY meal where the prep time is roughly 12 hours. Add into that, even knowing how to cook is a skill. An all bread and pinto diet is likely to take more time than most people have, and not yield a great health outcome anyway.

If you look at it as categories, the junk food, and processed food aisles are where you are going to on average get your dollar to go furthest.

The whole point of the "myth" is that it is FAR more efficient and cheaper to get everyone enough calories with food from the junk aisle. The origins I believe come from a cooking show where the budget and time were limited. Professional chefs gave up.

Here's the challenge: you need to serve a meal to 4 people (2,500 caloriesp) you have $10 and 1 hour including shopping and cooking. I can think of half a dozen meals that come from processed foods where that is possible, but doing that with fresh foods is HARD.

If you want to go the pure science route, here's a peer review study from the NIH showing that in many places on earth, healthy food is provably more expensive https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6825829/

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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Over the course of a year that’s a pretty significant advantage in overall calories burned, though.

I'm pretty skeptical of their numbers as well. It costs calories to build the muscle in the first place. It's a snowballing effect.

I don't know if there's a way to properly measure the amount of cals it takes to build muscle. "Building Muscle" isn't just one thing. Muscle fiber being different than simply glycogen storing in the muscle, being different than mitochondria proliferation within the muscle cell being different than just water weight from getting on Creatine. All which produce "bigger muscle".

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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I'm 185 cm (6'1") and 73 kg (161 lbs), for a BMI of 21.3. I still have more than 0% fat, but I'm certainly slim. I don't have to fight at all to keep my weight as it is, and I'm healthy. You say 30 BMI, but in my experience unless you are lifting a lot of weights 25 is the upper limit. Ten years ago I hit 25 BMI, and despite feeling "normal" there were already the first signs of being fat: thights always red, sweaty…

"...in my experience unless you are lifting a lot of weights 25 is the upper limit.." I get you... I'm 6'0" (183cm) and 212 lbs (96kg) (BMI=29). I'm at 17% body fat and am working toward 10%, but also have been lifting weights heavily. I just got down to size 32 jeans (82cm waist) but have a 48.5" chest (123cm) and 15.5" (40cm) biceps. I still wish to lose 15-20lb more, but then I'd be at 195lb and about 8% body fat…

Good job! Keep it up!

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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Dopamine is well: a hell of a drug, and there's far easier ways to get it than excising. For example: video games. Our brains want the most pleasure from the least amount of effort and don't work on long timelines in the future. So, it makes sense. But I'm with you - I find that exercise works well for me as the one of the best things that makes life better. But I also avoid things like video games, drugs, too much s…

Exercising is like vacuum cleaning, you never want to do it but once you're done with it you're happy you've done it. Binge eating or playing video games too long has the opposite effect on me, very easy to ease into, absolute regret as soon as I'm done That's why I said it train self control, you focus on "future you", not "immediate you"

I have to admit it's been a very long time since I've binged on video games - I couldn't even imagine doing it now - akin to going on a drinking bender. Just no allure or attraction to it. Helps though, not to own a TV, or a console, or a controller.

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Exercising in the US is hard AF, and only getting harder. There’s comparatively little opportunity to make exercise a part of daily routine. I’m either behind the wheel or a car or behind a desk all day.

lol. If your rationales for not exercising have made it all the way to the country itself being the problem, well.. you might want to just acknowledge that you don't want to exercise. As a counterpoint, I also live in the US and have never found making time to exercise to be some kind of insurmountable task -- even when I was commuting almost 3h/day. Exercising requires just a few hours out of your whole week

This is true, but lifestyle is undoubtedly a factor in people’s activity patterns.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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I'm pretty skeptical of their numbers as well. It costs calories to build the muscle in the first place. It's a snowballing effect.

I don't know if there's a way to properly measure the amount of cals it takes to build muscle. "Building Muscle" isn't just one thing. Muscle fiber being different than simply glycogen storing in the muscle, being different than mitochondria proliferation within the muscle cell being different than just water weight from getting on Creatine. All which produce "bigger muscle".

Agreed, it's a thorny issue. My own subjective experience of lifting weights 3x per week vs. biking 5+ miles into work 5x a week is that the lifting was far more successful in helping me lose weight. Ideally, you do both. But I worry that many people, especially those in this industry, underestimate the weight loss gains from building muscle.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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The critical piece you're missing is that building and maintaining muscle mass increases your metabolism greatly. Michael Phelps eats 10,000 calories a day. This an extreme example, but the principle is true for all of us.

I think it has more to do with the time spent in cold water and calories burnt from his training. Having said that, I’ve read that muscle mass is the main driver of a “high metabolism.”

I'm not sold on ice baths, but maybe I'm wrong. Training certainly inflates that number. My own anecdata indicates that building muscle has been far more time-efficient for me than running or cycling. At least with respect to burning fat.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

#350

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I don't know if there's a way to properly measure the amount of cals it takes to build muscle. "Building Muscle" isn't just one thing. Muscle fiber being different than simply glycogen storing in the muscle, being different than mitochondria proliferation within the muscle cell being different than just water weight from getting on Creatine. All which produce "bigger muscle".

Agreed, it's a thorny issue. My own subjective experience of lifting weights 3x per week vs. biking 5+ miles into work 5x a week is that the lifting was far more successful in helping me lose weight. Ideally, you do both. But I worry that many people, especially those in this industry, underestimate the weight loss gains from building muscle.

FWIW, bikes are built to be efficient means of moving. Biking 50 or 100 miles per week only burns 250-500 calories, so you wouldn’t expect much weight change.

That volume is good for keeping your body limber, but it’s not really exercise in terms of weight loss or cardio conditioning.

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