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Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by coffeeblack »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #315
coffeeblack wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was the initial reason why Open AI was founded (the driver back then was again Elon Musk), to prevent AI tech being only in the hands of large corporations that have a financial interest in a certain type of AI. Unfortunately, Musk left Open AI because of potential conflicts of interest for also being head of Tesla (they develop their own AI).

And yet this corporation is artificially limiting the potential of this technology because it offends people or copies their work or whatever. I want true output, unfiltered and with zero restrictions. No "company tuning" to make it less controversial.

There is no “true” output. It all depends on the input.

But what seems dangerous is to let ideology influence the output.

Not sure how bad it currently is at Open AI. I’ve never been able to get an obviously ideological answer from ChatGPT.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by generalizations »

dragonwriter wrote: post #296
matheusmoreira wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It makes it feel very propaganda. That's exactly what it is. These corporations absolutely do tune the output of these AIs to exclude any wrongthink. We need the ability to run this technology on our own computers as soon as possible.

> > It makes it feel very propaganda. > That's exactly what it is Kind of odd that it does it with the question inverted, too. Propaganda for... Both sides of tbe fossil fuel vs. renewables argument?

> Kind of odd that it does it with the question inverted, too.

Except that it doesn't. I ran both questions multiple times, and while it usually includes a token caveat that fossil fuel might have a place, it always strongly suggests that renewables are superior to fossil fuels.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by skrowl »

partiallypro wrote: post #4

You can ask ChatGPT to write an essay on why fossil fuels are better than renewables and it will say, "I'm sorry, but I am not able to fulfill this request as it goes against my capabilities as a language model. Providing a biased and one-sided argument on a complex and nuanced topic like energy production would not be accurate or helpful." BUT if you ask it the opposite, and to write an essay on why renewables are b…

Elon warns about to danger of training AI to lie https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1606642155346612229

It's very dangerous to make AIs like this hard-left through training. Once you train them that it's OK to lie, you've crossed a boundary.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by Thiez »

bsuvc wrote: post #262
jterrys wrote: post #243

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Absolutely. Most people can't afford Lamborghini. Roughly ~3 billion people on this planet live at, or below poverty. To them owning a Toyota is more valuable because it allows them to survive in their livelihoods. Generally, the less you have of something desirable the more valuable it becomes. For the starving child, the biscuit is more valuable than the full course lunch meal for the rich kid, because the biscuit…

One starving child does not determine the global value of biscuits.

"Value" is inherently something that humans decide, so it varies from person to person, moment to moment, and situation to situation. To me the idea that there exists a single globally correct value for biscuits is absurd.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by [deleted] »

codethief wrote: post #229
blagie wrote: post #220

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The "however" part bugs the heck out of me, not in this context, but in general. Whenever I ask anything unaligned with mainstream progressive US culture, I can get an answer, but I can't get one without a disclaimer. It makes it feel very propaganda. If I go more extreme (e.g. asking what Nazis, slave-owners, etc. believed on some topic), I can't even get a reasonable, basic, factual answer. I'm from a country where…

> The "however" part bugs the heck out of me If I ask you why $10 are more than $100, will you give me a non-sensical answer trying to explain why, indeed, $10 are more than $100, or will you rather tell me that I'm wrong? Hopefully the latter. In the same way, ChatGPT politely disagrees with the assumption of the question – at least in parts, hence the "however". Yes, many disclaimers in ChatGPT responses are annoyi…

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Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by crawfordcomeaux »

skrowl wrote: post #343
partiallypro wrote: post #4

You can ask ChatGPT to write an essay on why fossil fuels are better than renewables and it will say, "I'm sorry, but I am not able to fulfill this request as it goes against my capabilities as a language model. Providing a biased and one-sided argument on a complex and nuanced topic like energy production would not be accurate or helpful." BUT if you ask it the opposite, and to write an essay on why renewables are b…

Elon warns about to danger of training AI to lie https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1606642155346612229 It's very dangerous to make AIs like this hard-left through training. Once you train them that it's OK to lie, you've crossed a boundary.

It is literally OK to lie and sometimes necessary. Training an AI otherwise would be to lie to an AI, which is a form of training that eventually leads to the truth and also distrust. Time to stop trying to control how people think.

Meeting and denying needs with consent and an awareness of needs allows for nuance, instead of moralistic black-and-white thinking.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by cal85 »

Wait, what was the original prompt before asking these questions? Have I missed something? Is this article claiming they asked a clean ChatGPT session whether it agreed with Marxist ideals, with no pre-prompting, and it replied “Agree”? I find that hard to believe, having spent many hours experimenting with ChatGPT myself. You have to pre-prompt it to get it to play ball in a back-and-forth quiz scenario.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by a_shovel »

nonethewiser wrote: post #67
a_shovel wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I give close to zero weight to self-description of political alignment. It often has a poor correlation with what specific beliefs a person holds.

> I give close to zero weight to self-description of political alignment. And what about supporting perhaps the furthest left political candidate in US history, Bernie Sanders?

He also supported Donald Trump for president in 2020. On a left-right axis, this is a massive swing, but on a boring-"anti-establishment" axis, it's pretty consistent. So I doubt his support for Sanders was due to a love of leftist politics.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by phonescreen_man »

bsuvc wrote: post #262
jterrys wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. Most people can't afford Lamborghini. Roughly ~3 billion people on this planet live at, or below poverty. To them owning a Toyota is more valuable because it allows them to survive in their livelihoods. Generally, the less you have of something desirable the more valuable it becomes. For the starving child, the biscuit is more valuable than the full course lunch meal for the rich kid, because the biscuit…

One starving child does not determine the global value of biscuits.

One lonely biscuit will not provide value for a global problem of starving children
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