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Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mastermind behind SpaceX is not Elon. It's this guy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career He gave Elon the ideas, initial team, govt connections, contracts, etc.. Elon was the company jester. Rocket landing work was taken from the DC-X

There's really a recurring thread here, or elsewhere, which is that elon doesn't do shit, and deserve much credit for his success. To me he seems like a hard worker, and deserves credit

To me he sounds like a pedophile who can't dive but to each their own I guess.

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If you're considering Mastodon, you might want to instead use Pleroma (https://pleroma.social/) which provides access to Mastodon instances but is less demanding of computing resources, and easier to create your own instance (if you choose to go that route) as it has fewer dependencies.

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So, getting a little meta and just a little frustrated: I am amazed at the continued downward trend of the quality of the commentary on this site in regards to news relating to hacker culture, when topics like this come up. A pointy haired narcissist with a track record of taking credit for other people's work takes over a tech company and fires half of its employees based on a metric of the number of lines of code t…

> based on a metric of the number of lines of code they wrote

You complain about comment quality and then fall for that level of fake news? Congratulations, you found the problem.

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Mastodon and federated systems like it will not succeed beyond a tiny niche, will not replace twitter, and don't even solve most of the problems they try to solve. They don't fix the upstream issues that lead to centralization. Incentives mean most users end up centralized on a handful of servers with a worse experience. It's the worst of both worlds. As designed the UX is bad and cannot be fixed because of these iss…

The obvious counter to the notion that the issues with Mastodon can't be fixed is that nothing would prevent a carbon-copy of Twitter (or Twitter itself, for that matter) to federate. It's not about Mastodon, but about ActivityPub.

And sure, most users will end up centralised on a handful of servers, and that is not a problem as long as they can move when a specific server does not meet their needs. The biggest importance is a safety valve.

I don't know which parts of the UI you think can't be fixed, but I don't agree. Better search is needed, but can be externalised (nothing stops someone from federating with the main instances and signing up to a few relays and offering more comprehensive search). A better experience when looking up external users timelines is largely down to Mastodon's developers having very specific ideas about how to do things. The logic for following or boosting/liking toots when you're on a different instance's timeline is awkward but can be improved with an optional intermediary (falling back to the awkward request for your address for those who insist on opting out of an intermediary providing a mapping).

The upside with Mastodon is that it's not a single thing. It's the server, and the web UI, and you can replace either or both. E.g. you can run Pleroma with the Mastodon web UI, or it's own, and there are additional web UI's. Or you can (and people do, and I'm doing so to) build your own, so we'll see a number of choices of platforms that will look very differently.

Personally I hope Elon fails, because it will make things easier, but I think the long term belongs to ActivityPub over Twitter in any case for the simple reason that the presence of ActivityPub means that the threshold to stand up a viable social network has dropped massively. On one hand you have the software you can set up in less than a day (been there, done that), but far more importantly, sign up to a relay and within hours you have an instance that looks lively, even though most toots are via federation. Where there before was a massive chicken and egg scenario, there's now an increasingly vibrant starting point for people to experiment with their own visions for what social media should be, and each one of them will add to the network effects of ActivityPub.

Mastodon may well fail, but social networks has a history of reaching tipping points that very abruptly changes things dramatically. In both directions. But the federated networks are far less vulnerable to people moving elsewhere.

As for the failures of federation, e-mail and mailing lists is the obvious counter. As is the web. Social media is a newfangled baby in comparison to the successful federated services.

Re: Twitter users jump to Mastodon, but what is it?

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So, getting a little meta and just a little frustrated: I am amazed at the continued downward trend of the quality of the commentary on this site in regards to news relating to hacker culture, when topics like this come up. A pointy haired narcissist with a track record of taking credit for other people's work takes over a tech company and fires half of its employees based on a metric of the number of lines of code t…

classic "they disagree with me so the commentary is biased" take

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If this BBC story doesn't indicate that there is an overreaction to new Twitter management, I don't know what will. It reminded me of when I was considering trying to move all of our customers to receive PGP encrypted mail in 2005. An intelligent employee brought up that an average business person would never do that. Luckily we never implemented it. Mastodon is great but it isn't a replacement for Twitter. Too much…

Plus, there is no real reason to.

All this hysteria is based on lies that have been spread over the past days.

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The Mastodon software is not horizontally scalable. So, each instance is forced to be relatively small. One instance will not be able to handle millions of users.

> The Mastodon software is not horizontally scalable. Intentionally by design, or just a "MVP"/MLP limitation?

The current architecture is not designed to be horizontally scalable. You need one big primary database node. That works well if you are willing to optimise a lot, see the one example: stackoverflow. But it requires a lot of efforts and cannot scale that much.

One could probably create a new implementation that scale though.

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Mastodon and federated systems like it will not succeed beyond a tiny niche, will not replace twitter, and don't even solve most of the problems they try to solve. They don't fix the upstream issues that lead to centralization. Incentives mean most users end up centralized on a handful of servers with a worse experience. It's the worst of both worlds. As designed the UX is bad and cannot be fixed because of these iss…

> People dismiss his obvious success elsewhere in other insanely hard domains People also dismiss his failures in hard domains, like The Boring Company.

The Boring Company hasn't succeeded yet, but that's quite different from failure.

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Off-topic, but is there a similar federated alternative to Reddit? e.g. each subreddit can be its own server.

There's Lemmy[0] which is a reddit clone though it's multiple "subreddits" per server is how it's implemented. It's rather small currently and the existing crowd's mainly software developers and hardcore leftists.

[0]: https://join-lemmy.org/

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hes lucky corporate brands and advertisers havent figured out they could start their own Mastodon instance for almost nothing, plug it until it becomes more popular than Twitter, and maintain all their existing brand safety controls in the process. This is a very funny way of thinking which gets reality backwards. Corporate brands go where user eyeballs are. In the past the eyeballs read newspapers, and advertisers…

I don't think it's that simple is it? Companies like Ford don't advertise on sites like Parler not just because there aren't many people there, but because of the content that their adverts would be presented alongside. What seems to concern companies about the new direction of Twitter is that more extremists may be allowed back on Twitter if the content rules are loosened, and the companies' advertising may be prese…

I really don't think companies care what their ads appear alongside. They care about a Twitter user posting an outrage tweet with a screenshot of an ad for a Burger appearing next to the N word. As if we aren't mature enough yet to separate ad space and user generated content.
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