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Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by s_ting765 »

paxys wrote: post #322
dan-robertson wrote: post #285

The dynamics on Twitter are quite weird. There’s a small number of users with potentially lots of followers for whom Twitter is an important part of their work or life. If you’re a journalist, being on Twitter is basically part of your job so maybe you should have to pay a bit more just like the customer of some business software ($100 pa seems pretty cheap there). Indeed maybe media publications should be paying for…

That's the core problem with this approach. Elon and others have the idea in their head that Twitter is a social graph where people come to interact with each other, and everyone is relatively equal. So every user paying $X/mo to solidify their place in the graph makes some conceptual sense. In reality Twitter is more akin to YouTube than Facebook. A tiny percentage of users are creators while the vast majority are c…

> So you want to instead do the exact opposite – ask the consumers to pay and fund your creators with that money.

I think it's only Onlyfans that can get away with such a business model.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by seydor »

danpalmer wrote: post #14

The good: Twitter should not be editorally curating people through verification, making verification only about ID and being a real person is a broadly good change, as long as it's not necessary for participation. Brands, celebrities, those in the public eye could benefit from this. Needs to be implemented with care and ideally with a branding change so as not to confuse users as the semantics change. The bad: $8 is…

There's nothing good. When everyone can buy a checkmark, it becomes nothing.

The next step is "only allow replies from blue checkmarks"

both are bad ideas, and solely because of musk's obsession with bots. Without a mob to prop up people with retweets, twitter will be useless. You cant have the good parts without the ugly parts

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by lamontcg »

conductr wrote: post #296
oneoff786 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s saying the price is bullshit, not that he can’t afford it. To him, it offers basically no value. While him being on Twitter does offer Twitter value. He’s probably right, although it doesn’t generalize to most celebrities who do have a vested interest in paying to promote themselves.

You don't think $8-20/month of book sales are generated by King's twitter presence?

He can still tweet without a blue checkmark and people will still know who he is.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by fnordpiglet »

jjfoooo6 wrote: post #158
Waterluvian wrote: post #16

"Half as many ads" fascinates me deeply. Has a business ever publicly quantified how many ads you get? Does YouTube say, "we expose you to an average of x seconds of commercials and y pixels of static ads"? How do I know what half should be? We've all been there: "it feels like YouTube has cranked the ads way up lately..." Will "half" just become "full" when "full" gets doubled next year?

In other words, it is that it's going to be very difficult for users to intuitively understand what "half ads" means and why they should pay for it. It's a completely nonsensical compromise. Musk's product ideas for Twitter seems to assume that what everyone wants is for Twitter to be more complex, with more knobs to fiddle with.

Clearly not. It would be a touch screen control. Knobs are too simple.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by TeMPOraL »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #323
TeMPOraL wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. I'm gonna keep drumming this up: most markets today are supplier-driven. The "barrier to having a good experience" gets higher, and the experience gets worse, and there's shit all you can do about it, because you're only able to choose out of what's on the market, and the market isn't serving lower barrier / better experience options it did a month, year or decade ago.

> and the market isn't serving lower barrier / better experience options it did a month, year or decade ago. That's irrelevant, and very often false. But the options offered by the market at any given time are generally better at higher price points, which is, oddly, exactly what the commenter upthread was outraged by.

They wrote:

> It's a higher barrier to having a good experience, which I can't think of many successful examples of to be honest.

The way I read the poster is that they think being asked to pay more will create worse experience, which is implied to be stupid. Except it isn't, it's literally what's happening in every market all the time. Getting people to pay more for worse product is entirely normal, and the way it usually works is by removing the option to keep paying the same amount for the product they currently enjoy.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by uoaei »

ericd wrote: post #221
uoaei wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More mental gymnastics... I'm not even sure what point is being made by this move, other than devaluing the blue check to the point of meaninglessness. It's not even "utilitarian": if leveling the playing field was Musk's interest, he would have eliminated the blue check altogether. There is no mechanism for anti-impersonation if all it takes to get a blue check is payment. Bot farms can also pay money for blue check…

It substantially changes the economics of bots - cheap for a person, expensive for a person running 10,000 bots that want to appear legitimate.

So you've limited the success of bot farms only to the set of state actors. Yay, such a great improvement...

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by lupire »

schleck8 wrote: post #219
memish wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be both. Pay to verify, get paid for creating content. "This will also give Twitter a revenue stream to reward content creators" https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1587505731611262976

What kind of content is being created on Twitter that warrants being paid? Reddit works flawlessly without that in longer form

Flawless has never been a word to describe Reddit.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by rconti »

I wonder how big the exodus from Twitter has been-- (seems noteworthy from what I've seen)-- and whether it will be covered by journalists? They seem to have already decided that Twitter = news, ignoring the fact that most people don't use Twitter at all.

If (say) 5% of people leave Twitter, will journalists notice? Of course not, they'll just keep pretending like "people on twitter" == "people".

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