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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by itbeho »

irrational wrote: post #305
alex_young wrote: post #284

I’ve been burglarized 4 times, in 4 different cities, in 2 US states, and once in Europe. I’ve lived in SF twice and in a few other Bay Area cities, and I honestly can’t tell you that my personal experience with crime in SF is all that different from the norm in most urban areas. There are places I’ve lived which seem devoid of crime, but these places seem to have more community in common than leadership or laws. Alt…

I’m 50 and have lived in 11+ cities over my lifetime. I’ve never been robbed. How is it that one person can get robbed 4 times and another no times? It’s not like I’ve ever lived in a gated community or anything like that.

Move to SF and report back in a year?

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Post by bombcar »

dpkirchner wrote: post #94
jjitz wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SF has a homeless population like 5x that of Denver even though the cities are of comparable sizes.

I'd guess Denver's lower rate of homelessness could have something to do with its average overnight temperatures.

I don’t know what is happening but Boulder has way more homeless than 20 years ago.

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Post by geuis »

jimt1234 wrote: post #326

I was in San Francisco last week for work. A homeless guy show me his d1ck. Another homeless guy in a wheelchair smoked crack in plain view, on the corner of Ellis and Stockton. And finally another homeless guy was screaming at the elderly Chinese ladies doing tai chi in Washington Square Park. This was just a walk from my hotel to Pier 39. With all that said, San Francisco is a beautiful city.

You can just spell dick. We're all adults here and it's not like there's profanity filtering.

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Post by CPLX »

ceejayoz wrote: post #91
CPLX wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copaganda, a shorthand for the tendency of police communications officials to make wildly false statements to influence public opinion, is indeed a real issue. What does it have to do with an opinion poll like this though?

Copaganda also describes true but misleading statements, and includes things like news organizations naïvely taking the cops at their word, shows like CSI and Law & Order, etc. In this case, "Any item stolen from you?" seems to include having an Amazon package stolen off your porch, which happens widely (including to me) here in suburban upstate NY too.

What’s misleading about asking people if they’ve had something stolen from them and then printing the results?

It’s a bizzare criticism given that the usual approach to determining how much crime has happened is to ask the police department.

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Post by itbeho »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #247

If anything would put an end to pro-crime policies, it is more than 50% of the electorate being a victim of crime. This explains the Chesa Boudin recall, and will explain the results of elections in the months and years ahead.

"A conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged." - Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D)

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Post by rdtwo »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #295
lxe wrote: post #166

Got a $1500 bike stolen from the inside of my locked apartment in Potrero Hill back in 2015 or 16. Was very bitter about that -- it was one of the few things I brought with me to SF. Police ignored it. For weeks after I was walking through all the homeless chop shops looking for it. About a month after the theft, I received a call from someone who bought a frame (just the frame) with my serial number at a San Jose fl…

Strange that police would ignore a burglary. I get they might ignore a bike stolen from the street. A burglary could easily be a home invasion.

They ignore everything sort of violent crime and easy arrests. In Chicago they even ignore violent crime.

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Post by kalkin »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #281
icelancer wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prosecutor's office has a large role here. No reason for cops to investigate crimes that won't be tried.

This is really up to the prosecutors, not the cops. They tell the cops "we are not charging people for doing X," so the cops don't arrest anyone for X. At least in NYC and SF, there are written statements from the DA's office to this effect.

Can you provide a link to these statements? How old are they?

FWIW I don't live in SF but I've had a couple of car break-ins and I don't even remember if I reported them; it was a formality for insurance purposes if so and I never expected nor saw evidence of any police follow up. Are there cities where that's different?

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Post by [deleted] »

jacobolus wrote: post #327
pclmulqdq wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing that if a rich, white or Asian tech worker decided to loot a Walgreens, they would get the book thrown at them. Look at the small business owners in New York who get arrested and charged with everything possible by the DA's office for defending themselves (until public pressure forces them to back down). That's where we are. This is what the people voted for, though.

This is total nonsense. Wealthy professionals regularly get away with much more egregious thefts than petty shoplifting, the police do a lot more harassment of poor people than rich people, and lack of response to shoplifting is not about race.

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Post by steve76 »

jacobolus wrote: post #327
pclmulqdq wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing that if a rich, white or Asian tech worker decided to loot a Walgreens, they would get the book thrown at them. Look at the small business owners in New York who get arrested and charged with everything possible by the DA's office for defending themselves (until public pressure forces them to back down). That's where we are. This is what the people voted for, though.

This is total nonsense. Wealthy professionals regularly get away with much more egregious thefts than petty shoplifting, the police do a lot more harassment of poor people than rich people, and lack of response to shoplifting is not about race.

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Post by shigawire »

galangalalgol wrote: post #317
robswc wrote: post #278

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As someone that's never been a victim of theft, that's wild and I feel like it would just ruin things for quite awhile. I had what I assume was a drunk person, try to get into my apartment once. Not something that should be too scary but I felt uneasy for some time after that. I'd be out wiring the house like ft. knox the next day, if that happened to me haha.

Without doxing yourself can you give a general idea where this place is? Do you know lots of people that have experienced theft and you are just lucky, or is it unusual? I don't think I even know anyone who hasn't had packages stolen or a car broken into or stuff taken from their yard at least. One guy where I used to live went in to get some water while mowing his front yard and came back as people drove away with h…

Non-big city Wisconsin - I know people who never lock their doors.
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