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Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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> Do not do this daily! This is like a once-a-year thing. Why's that? (I'm intrigued by this idea.)

I mean, first off, do whatever you want. I'm not a cop. I found I could make myself do things I had a lot of resistance to with this technique. It wouldn't necessarily be great , but it would get done. One could call this activity... eating frogs. I'll defer to the article on the issues with that in general. The problem with this technique is that it's so strong (god it sounds like I'm selling the thing) that you don…

Very interesting. When I need to make myself work on something (which creates a new problem: deciding to force yourself to do something) I have 2 main techniques (I just realized you could probably do both methods together.)

Method 1. Incrementing time boxes (the first step is similar to yours actually). Set a timer for 1 minute and do it for one minute. Then 2 minutes, then 3, and so on. (At some point you'll be working on it and forget about the timer, and that's ok.) (Credit to Mark Forster[1] and/or Khatzumoto[2] for that idea.

[1] I believe it's in his "Get Everything Done" book as mentioned here http://markforster.squarespace.com/forum/post/2713432

[2] http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/timeboxing-trilogy...

Method 2. Start with a blank piece of paper (or text file). Write down the goal. In outline form, indent and write the first thing needed to do that. If needed, indent again and write down the first thing to do that, and so on, until you have something to start on. Note that I'm not talking about outlining and planning the project, just the first step (of the first step, ...). A great benefit is it helps you focus on deciding where to start, breaks it down to something small enough to start on, and it keeps track of where you are in the process, what you're trying to do. I guess it helps with working memory (which helps with executive function). Proceed to work on the project indenting and un-indenting as needed (i.e. adding sub-item 2 after sub-item 1 is complete)

I'll mention a related idea (it's essentially the same thing) because I had forgotten something I posted on reddit and someone just replied to me 7 years later saying it helped them "tremendously". To rephrase it, (I assumed) when you think about working on something, and then feel anxious, and then do something else (procrastinate) it provides relief and reinforces procrastination (same with how phobias work). So I mention doing a really small part of it instead like work for X minutes or X item(s), but when the thought of stopping comes to mind, then stop. That way you don't associate starting with forcing yourself. But then keep starting again with small pieces.

Your idea about doing nothing for 1 minute reminds me of a time when I had to break myself from switching to working on something else, and I would just set a timer (3 minutes though, and you could stop waiting if you wanted to work on the thing you actually wanted to work on before that) and literally lay down with nothing to do and then go back to what I was doing. Basically I was either doing the project, or doing nothing, but not switching to something else unproductive.

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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> > We humans are, deep down, lazy and gluttonous creatures. If left to our own devices, we will do nothing but eat Pringles and watch Netflix. The only way we can escape our indolent nature is to exert our higher faculties over our base instincts. > First, humans are not “naturally” lazy, because humans are not “naturally” anything. ... We’re different today not because our genes changed, but because our culture cha…

I don't even think they're persistent to us as a species. There's a clear evolutionary purpose to species not expending energy when they don't have to that applies near globally.

I would say the change is more societal than cultural. Humans in a modern, wealthy country can survive and procreate without doing a whole lot. People can coast in their jobs, or live cheaply and work very little and still not worry about whether they'll starve in the winter (for the most part).

There's no longer a biological necessity to get stuff done. If people of the past could have done very little and still survive, they probably would have. To my sensibilities, some of them did. The nobility seem like they did a lot of their version of "watching Netflix and eating potato chips".

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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I mean, first off, do whatever you want. I'm not a cop. I found I could make myself do things I had a lot of resistance to with this technique. It wouldn't necessarily be great , but it would get done. One could call this activity... eating frogs. I'll defer to the article on the issues with that in general. The problem with this technique is that it's so strong (god it sounds like I'm selling the thing) that you don…

Very interesting. When I need to make myself work on something (which creates a new problem: deciding to force yourself to do something) I have 2 main techniques (I just realized you could probably do both methods together.) Method 1. Incrementing time boxes (the first step is similar to yours actually). Set a timer for 1 minute and do it for one minute. Then 2 minutes, then 3, and so on. (At some point you'll be wor…

lol I've done so much of the same stuff. Especially method 2. I do it for turning decisions into tasks. I think of it as "going down the stack". If "Decide which city to move to" is staring at me, I can add "Come up with how to decide which city to move to." That might turn into something concrete like "Go for a walk and think about how to pick which city to move to." Somehow, enough layers of abstraction can circle all the way to "put on shoes".

The hazard is yak-shaving, over-investing in the pre-pre-pre-planning, or becoming interested in epistemology. The trick is to try to have each layer be a tenth of the investment of the layer it supports or less. Can't stack too high that way.

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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This is only true if you define journey as basically doing anything interesting. But then you are just saying that the only story type is “someone does something”.

There's only one story type. Somebody runs into a problem and tries to solve it, but fails at the halfway mark because they didn't understand the problem well enough. They rethink the problem and try to solve it again, but fail at the 3/4 mark because they don't understand themselves. Then they defeat the problem by gaining understanding of themselves (or fail to defeat the problem because of a willful refusal to cha…

> There's only one story type

One type, yes, and Kishōtenketsu as well. And now you know.

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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Agile with a pedantic scrum master is a particular kind of hell.

Not sure whether it would help, but if someone finds themselves in this kind of situation maybe try to find a way to discreetly suss out whether they are doing it because they've drunk the kool aid or as a "work to rule" strategy. It seems to me that many of the Agile methodologies, and Scrum in particular, are susceptible to that kind of approach.

If they're brown nosing, suck-up, sycophantic, yes men?

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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Not a joke; the Screwtape Letters is a seminal piece of literature, forget the written story, the story is the context of the novel, it's intention, it's composition, and it's ultimate weakness as a intellectual milepost. It practically destroys itself. It's a masterpiece of self deception.

I am intrigued. How does the book practically destroy itself?

It doesn't destroy anything lol, it's just bog-standard, annoying, heavy-handed, Western Christian cringe thinly describing itself as apologetics. It's annoying as fuck when people pretend it's literature or something.

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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This is a great article but the best part is an off hand link to a book review of A Square Meal: A Culinary History of the Great Depression [1] which includes choice quotes like > The writer George Jean Nathan claimed that before the 1920s, there existed only eight basic sandwich types: Swiss cheese, ham, sardine, liverwurst, egg, corned beef, roast beef, and tongue (yes). But by 1926, he “claimed that he had counted…

> foie gras, salmi of duck, and the $5 esp32-wroom dev kits Never been a fan of chips in my sandwich, but each to their own I suppose.

Must be the limited edition dill flavored Beagle Board I missed out on

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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Love tongue. Cook it occasionally and eat with horseradish mayonnaise

My father made a wonderful tongue & beans soup; must have been 45 years ago. Little brother and friend come home, I tell them, "You've got to try Dad's soup!" They both raved about it, until I mentioned the meat was cow tongue. Years later I was still catching flack about that little incident. But he'd grown up on a farm and meat was meat; I thought it tasted great.

Oh classic, that reminds me of "rocky mountain oysters" - proof that anything fried can be pretty alright

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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I had a similar experience which, when combined with my academic background, pointed toward a particular corporate need that (to my surprise) was mostly received as unpleasant. It’s a decision support role starting with a risk-based statistical model of products, then devising for hypothetical competing devices the best selling points. The test was useful to decide which frog, reminded me of the movie Brazil.

>was mostly received as unpleasant. By this, do you mean the role ended up unpleasant to you?

No, people had assumed it was hard and non-redeeming. Part of me thought that the personality quiz worked surreptitiously to identify me as someone just boring enough to put up with it.

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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Love tongue. Cook it occasionally and eat with horseradish mayonnaise

Tongue (with vinegar and garlic) is one of the traditional dishes for Christmas here in Argentina (or at least in my family). I never ate it in a sandwich, anyway.

It makes for excellent cold cuts. Just the thing on sliced bread.
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