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EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by natch »

RocketOne wrote: post #103
elif wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any modern car can be remote controlled by plugging a device into the port used by comma.io If you're really worried about the agencies hijacking you to kill you, you're gonna need to buy vintage.

Not kill. Control. Like Tesla deleting features that the original owner paid for. Like BMW charging a monthly fee to activate features already built into the car. Like UI updates that are automatic and make options worse but you can't stop the updates.

>Like Tesla deleting features that the original owner paid for.

If you think this has happened, I believe you are mistaken. But I'm open to hearing evidence.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by natch »

erik_seaberg wrote: post #22
guidedlight wrote: post #8

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

The price difference needs to include owning a house vs. renting an apartment.

We charged two Teslas at an apartment for years, no problems. Using a single 110 outlet (shared, one car at a time). In the occasional road trips we also used superchargers. If it can work for two cars surely it can work for one car. You do have to choose an apartment where your outlet is close enough to the parking, obviously.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by ForHackernews »

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

> Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries

This kind of thing already exists outside the USA. Here's a $1200 "car" you can order off Alibaba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBz9zLFEa70

And some people are trying to make more stylish "apple-esque" versions to appeal to Americans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpiH-Y-HOvE

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

sephamorr wrote: post #130
dixie_land wrote: post #110

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speaking of doomsday, I can stock up on fuel with reasonable effort (storage tank, fuel stabilizer). But you can't easily build your own battery farm

Interesting perspective. Another view: solar panels on your roof, using your car battery for your house nighttime needs means that during doomsday your energy intensive lifestyle doesn't have to change at all.

Preppers are apparently really into adding solar panels to the top of golf carts these days.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by ht_th »

yourusername wrote: post #305
60Vhipx7b4JL wrote: post #304

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Just take a look at countries where they have a working bike infrastructure like Denmark or the Netherlands and adapt it your your country. (Also, separated bike lanes)

In the Netherlands bicycle paths are also walking paths when there is no dedicated walking path (which is quite common).

Yes, outside the cities and villages, where the number of pedestrians is low and that of cyclists often not large either. In those situations sharing infrastructure generally isn't an issue.

Inside cities and villages, I don't think I've seen roads with a bike path, but without a pedestrian path. Maybe I've seen one in an industrial park or so.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by natch »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #120
vkou wrote: post #65

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Illegal to sell new in a number of jurisdictions, starting sometime in the next 10-to-never years. Would probably put us on track to 3-4 degrees of warming.

Unless it becomes illegal to sell used also then that should not be an issue when deciding what type of car to buy now.

There are plenty of levers available to government for hastening the demise of CO2-emitting vehicles. Curtailing new sales is just one of them.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by anovikov »

tpxl wrote: post #340
anovikov wrote: post #306

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Insufficient capacity is all that blocks EV market share from hitting 60-70% in an instant (rest will be diehard conservatives). So we will see it being the case for the next 10 years or so, naturally.

Grid capacity is what blocks EV market share and will continue to be the blocker for the foreseeable future. A 2 person apartment where I live will consume ~400kWh of power in a typical month. Charging a 100kWh battery twice a month per person would double the power usage. We don't have the power generation, nor power delivery for that, nor will we have it for some time.

Not really, a car serves for ~15 years, so even 100% EV market share will mean only 6% or so annual replacement rate. Plenty of time for grid to adapt.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by hutzlibu »

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

"Ideally we'd just begin to phase out cars ideally"

I likely cycled more km, than I drove by car and I do not intend to change that, but for long distance trips with the whole family, a car is hard to beat or replace.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

darkteflon wrote: post #29

I feel like predictions on EV adoption generally focus too much on practical benefits and cost improvements over time, but discount - or at least fail to mention - the potential impact of ICE products becoming very uncool, very quickly - at least in Western countries. Overnight, even. It’s not a big stretch to imagine that generations of younger people concerned about the climate might make product consumption choice…

A related area is legislation, e.g. banning non-zero emission vehicles from city boundaries.

Big cities have had these for a while, but they become more acceptable when people are seen to be doing something that is both wrong and unusual.

See the acceleration of smoking bans over time.

This is sometimes referred to as "The Inevitable Policy Response" when talking about pricing the value of businesses with carbon-heavy outputs.

https://www.unpri.org/sustainability-issues/climate-change/i...

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by ReptileMan »

redox99 wrote: post #290
ReptileMan wrote: post #270

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No EV has 500 km range when you drive it in real world conditions. If you drive it with normal highway speed - 140-160 km/h you can barely get 250.

In real world conditions the highest range Model S can do 320 miles (515km) [1] Also 140-160 km/h aren't normal highway speed. They are in fact illegal in almost all countries. [1] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36302930/tesla-model-s-lo...

Who cares if they are legal if everyone drives at them. I was cruising in Turkey lately with 170 and was often overtaken with people at 200+.

Speed limits are just glorified toll boots made to extract revenue from people with powerful cars.

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