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Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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I don't get the hate on Youtube TBH, when they provide youtube premium.

Personally I'm torn between wanting to pay for a useful service and not wanting to reward YouTube for intentionally degrading their free service.

I don't understand this stance. They intentionally degrade the service to make it profitable. Video serving is incredibly expensive and YouTube is no charity. They have a premium tier at a very competitive price so what's the issue?

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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How do you propose sites/YouTube channels monetise themselves (for sustenance or profit)?

I think the only real response is that isn't my problem to figure out. I'm sure you could come up with 10 highly unethical or outright illegal monetization methods off the top of your head, and the argument against them isn't "well here's an alternative" but instead "these are bad and shouldn't be done full stop." And this is how people view ads, it's a values based judgement rather than a utilitarian one.

A values based judgement goes both ways though - you shouldn't be using such a service in the first place if you knowingly can't conceive of an ethical way for it to operate. And that's a fair stance but few seem to actually care about values based judgement enough to actually stop using the services.

That said this case isn't much of a moral mystery. YouTube offers a reasonable paid plan, most people just prefer ads.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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It's funny how generations vacillate between "id pay for this" and "id watch ads if this were free" but neither is actually the correct answer as there seems to just be an a/b switch between the two groups and sentiments regardless of which path is chosen.

In what way do you think this aligns with generations? (I don't really see a generational thing)

Generations was not being used in an age-related context.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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There is a legitimate problem with malware that hijacks all traffic via VPN. Maybe you should hear other side before making judgement!

There is also a legitimate problem where companies protect their business case with an argument of security.

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Whoa. Customized adblocking DNS servers? This is definitely striking me as one of those "why didn't I think of that" and "why don't we already have a lot of this?" Any ideas? Seems like you could go wild with this and do something like "Tor"ify, or "torrentify" or dare I say "blockchain" it? Someone can probably school me on why this is harder than it sounds.

This is what Pi-hole basically does.

And, Pi-hole is basically just dnsmasq, so you don't actually need a Raspberry Pi and the official Pi-hole software if you already have a Linux box on your home network doing other things. Just configure dnsmasq and you've got Pi-hole's functionality. With custom firmware, your Internet router can host dnsmasq, so you don't even need a separate box (this is what I use).

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It's incredible how fast websites load with this combination. I recall reading that despite the internet being faster, actual website performance has never really improved meaningfully. Whatever speed gains we've achieved have simply been eaten by larger and more complex tracking scripts. Google themselves are a significant contributor to this problem, for many websites, Google's scripts are the core source of slowne…

I recently learned about 'Jevons Paradox': >In 1865, the English economist William Stanley Jevons observed that technological improvements that increased the efficiency of coal-use led to the increased consumption of coal in a wide range of industries. He argued that, contrary to common intuition, technological progress could not be relied upon to reduce fuel consumption. Which is a criticism, it seems, for any syste…

Is that basically the same as induced demand?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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> The experience is so awful when I browse on my iPad, instead of my Android phone with Firefox+UBlock. I really don't understand how most people can stand to browse with all the ads. Most people don’t. Most people who use anything for iOS tend to use things like: - 1Blocker - super full featured, including custom script and css rules. business model is paid software, not ‘acceptable ads’ paying them for placement or…

95% of users have no idea what any of this is.

Developer wages would crash through the floor and all the way down to the centre of the Earth if ad blockers really took off without users also accepting micropayments or subscriptions for web services at the same time. Maybe we should be a little bit glad that the main thing keeping massive amounts of money in tech is accepted by users.

The key thing that most people in tech don't appear to grok very easily is that the overwhelming majority of web services like search engines, social media, ad-driven news websites, etc are all things that users place practically zero value on. People accept ads because they're a way of paying for things without really thinking about it. If you start asking users for actual money they suddenly decide that all these services represent no value and they'll live without them.

The end of online advertising is an existential threat for a massive part of the tech industry. If that cash cow ends there would be a huge reduction in money for devs, and a massive flood of devs on to the market. Economics 101 should tell you how bad that would be for most HN readers.

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I've only run into one site (Instagram) that forces the use of the app, and I just close the site instead.

Another great example lately is Reddit. Reddit's mobile experience had become awful. Every time someone sends me a reddit link and I click on it, I'm taken to Reddit's mobile site, which should function just fine and dandy, but the minute it detects you are there on a mobile browser, it spams you with "Reddit works best in the app!" messages, and won't let you view some subs at all without signing in. Reddit is a gre…

Thankfully there are third party clients for Reddit. Check out Infinity @ F-Droid.

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How do you propose sites/YouTube channels monetise themselves (for sustenance or profit)?

I don't really care about their bottom line. They're the middle-men. Virtual landlords. They're there to squeeze the lemon. Not to say that the service they provide isn't useful. It's obviously more economical to operate media platforms at scale, and obviously most content creators don't have the technical ability to do it themselves. When you look at say, podcasts for instance, you have this giant shared wealth of f…

YouTube sounds replaceable or unimportant in an ethical sense but in a practical sense it's certainly not that simple from the POV of someone trying to build an audience for their videography or even the audience itself.

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there are a multitude of adblockers for ipads and iphones.

iOS blocking is extremely limited and insufficient - it's purely declarative and non-dynamic, and with a hard limit on the actual number of filter rules you can have. It is better than nothing but a world apart from a proper ad blocker and more or less insufficient for modern adtech.

iOS DNS filtering ad blockers are nice because they work on most apps and have 0 overhead. Unless the app is running first party ad auctions I no longer see any ads on my phone. A true blocker for the browser would definitely be nice, but I'm pretty happy with the current solution.
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