How many EU beaureaucrats got their training in East Germany, I wonder? Or is it rather that they are too young and do not know about/remember what constant surveillance does to trust in a society?
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> the only viable solution I see for my country is an exit from the EU The UK thought so too, now they're frontrunning the EU on scraping privacy. I honestly don't even understand one could think an EU exit would address those problems in any way - corporate lobbying is inherent to politics, just look at your national government (whichever that currently is). And realistically speaking, the smaller the entity, the le…
Because, depending on the country, another government may be elected that will change the course. I can't elect anyone in the EU commission. Nor did I vote for my country to put the EU treaties above my constitution.
You also don't elect the members of your national government directly (in no country that I'm aware of, EU or otherwise, not even Switzerland). You're electing members of parliament and/or a president, who will then jointly appoint members of your national government, EU commissioners and a host of other political/judicial/administrative/... positions, in sometimes complicated processes. So your democratic choices affect the EU commission just as they affect your national politics.
I'm not saying that the EU couldn't do more to strengthen direct democracy (eg the role of the European Parliament, referenda, direct election of the president of the commission...). I would actually welcome that, but suggesting that current EU politics isn't democratic is a severe misrepresentation of the facts (one that is often peddled by actors with sinister agendas).
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Street view in Germany sucks because Google didn't want to deal with so many pixelation requests, so they drastically reduced the coverage.
Those requests would neither have been possible nor come in by such numbers if Germans were not privacy-aware.
your house on the street is public landscape. privacy does not apply on what you see from the road.
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Because, depending on the country, another government may be elected that will change the course. I can't elect anyone in the EU commission. Nor did I vote for my country to put the EU treaties above my constitution.
You also don't elect the members of your national government directly (in no country that I'm aware of, EU or otherwise, not even Switzerland). You're electing members of parliament and/or a president, who will then jointly appoint members of your national government, EU commissioners and a host of other political/judicial/administrative/... positions, in sometimes complicated processes. So your democratic choices af…
You are completely missing the point. You have a whole lot of more control on people who live next door to you than bureaucrats living thousands of miles away with whom you have absolutely no connection
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Am currently living in England, can confirm things they don't like didn't disappear and things have, in fact, been getting worse But hey, happy fishes and being able to flaunt that stylish passport on the massive customs queue Maybe I should get myself a job in the continent and move there...
UK government is working hard to replace all the worst aspects of the EU with homegrown alternatives.
Dare I say worse ones for privacy and public protection.
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I agree, child protection isn’t what’s driving this. It’s the deflection
What evidence do you have to support this? Everything I can see suggests that they sincerely believe this will help protect children.
What evidence is there that spying on the public will reduce child molestation? When you consider that the majority of perpetrators are family members how would spying on the publics chat help detect or prevent that? I don't think there are many child molesters boasting about it tbh. Would such a law prevent child molestation or prevent molesters from talking about it?
There is no evidence and little reason to believe this will protect children. Before infringing on innocent peoples privacy there must be some evidence that it will actually help protect children. There is no evidence to support this nor calls to study the efficacy idea. Makes me think protecting children is not the intention of their spying.
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They are traitors against the spirit of the constitution. Article 10 of the Basic Law: (1) The privacy of correspondence, posts and telecommunications shall be inviolable.
Well there is also (2) Restriction to this are only permitted if required by law. Which is used to force postal operators to report and investigate suspicious letters that might contain drugs.
Yeah I always laugh at those clauses that totally override all that came before
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You also don't elect the members of your national government directly (in no country that I'm aware of, EU or otherwise, not even Switzerland). You're electing members of parliament and/or a president, who will then jointly appoint members of your national government, EU commissioners and a host of other political/judicial/administrative/... positions, in sometimes complicated processes. So your democratic choices af…
You are completely missing the point. You have a whole lot of more control on people who live next door to you than bureaucrats living thousands of miles away with whom you have absolutely no connection
That's what Brexiteers thought, and look what they got: https://www.eff.org/de/deeplinks/2022/01/uk-paid-724000-cree...
https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/06/uk-osb-csam-scanning/
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Vienna is in Austria, not Germany
On that point Austrian privacy laws are insane. CCTV is a nightmare to set up there. https://edpb.europa.eu/news/national-news/2018/first-austria...
> The infringements refer to the following: the video surveillance system covers public streets as well as parking lots, both part of the public area in front of the entrance of the sports betting café. This is not adequate for the purposes of the processing and is not limited to a necessary extent. There are no logs of video surveillance processing operations. There is no deletion of the personal image data recorded by the video surveillance within 72 hours and no separate logs for processing in this regard and a justification for an extended storage period is missing (as determined in the Austrian Data Protection Act). In Addition to that, the filmed area does not have adequate signage about CCTV.
Why are those laws insane?
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Give me access to yours and your childrens' phones, I suspect that you or one of them may be a pedophile. Don't want to? Too bad, here is the law that says that I can get it all anyway. Don't worry, I'm a good programmer, I won't see it myself, I'll let one of my algorithms do it for me (I can't tell you how it works though, since you may use that information to hide something from me)! I pinky promise that neither I…
Yes that sounds fine to me. We have specially trained police in this category of crimes, for good reason. I trust them to investigate fairly and proportionately. If we cast aside the hyperbole and look at the actual details of what is being proposed in this regulation, it's clear they're taking a decent and reasonable approach here.
Please hand over all of your account details now them. Just so we can all check.