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I assure you, medieval people bathed (2019)

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Re: I assure you, medieval people bathed (2019)

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Its funny that western history distorts the history of the rest of the world. I hear western kids saying no one used to bathe in the ancient times. As an Indian, it was practically mandatory for each and every individual to take a bath at-least two times a day. Additionally the following customs were very prevalent till recent times. 1. Washing legs after coming home from outside. 2. Washing hands, face and legs befo…

Keep in mind that India was and is a huge and diverse place. A unified India did not exist until fairly recently. Neither as a political entity nor as a culture one.

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Re: I assure you, medieval people bathed (2019)

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Selected excerpts from comments of the user you mentioned, in this thread: > The highest ideal in Hinduism is "Sarve jana, sukhino bhavanthu" (All living things should be happy) > Spiritually, It is special, in the sense that Hinduism is not a religion but a philosophical way of life, that encourages debate, discussion, logical analysis and introspection. Historically, the only gift for questioning ones religion was…

It is strange to believe that my comment must remain accurate in perpetuity. At the time of my writing, the user had two comments in this thread, one about cleaning practices and traditional herbs (that almost no one took issue with). >In response to someone claiming that there were (like in medieval Europe, the topic of this post) many poor people in India in the same time period: That is not at all what was claimed…

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Re: I assure you, medieval people bathed (2019)

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But it's not even an essay, isn't it? I found the style in the historic context refreshing, but I wouldn't want to read a history book written this way

> But it's not even an essay, isn't it? I was using the term "essay" because its definition is so vague that almost any short not so academically strict non-fiction text may be called an "essay", at least in a wide sense. (And you can even call a rather austere text that deals with a broader subject an "essay", like Hume's Essays.) But I am open for a better alternative: So if we have a short non-fiction text that wa…

The structure of an essay follows certain general guidelines. Regardless of the type of essay, the introduction should be an introductory sentence that introduces the topic and sets the stage for the body. The body of the guidelines for writing an essay https://www.college-paper.org/news/General_Essay_Writing_Gui... should then develop the main idea by presenting a reasoned argument based on evidence. Each body paragraph should develop the main idea and support the argument, and the conclusion should explain how the topic fits into a broader context.

Re: I assure you, medieval people bathed (2019)

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The Old Norse word for Saturday, laugardagr, literally means "washing day". This custom still survives here in countryside Eastern Europe where many people routinely go to sauna (banya) every Saturday (or Sunday like my family). Before the 20th century, a lot of Eastern Europe (especially Russia) still lived like they lived in the middle ages: 95% of the country were serfs on feudal property living in traditional woo…

“Old Believers” interesting in itself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers

Here's one interesting and heart breaking story about an old believer family: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/for-40-years-this-rus...

Re: I assure you, medieval people bathed (2019)

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post #287

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Um, no, they don't. They describe a jaati system, and a varna system, both of which do not take the same meaning as caste. The british conflated the two, and invented caste. The jaati system was a system of hereditary professional guilds - so you'd have different jaatis for accountants (Kulkarnis for example), farmers (Vokkaligas), teachers (Upaadhyayas), etc. The professional skill was jealously guarded and generall…

Again, revisionist nonsense. Karna, one the greatest warriors of his time is not treated as a Kshatriya because of his birth. Shambuka, a Shudra is executed for daring to perform tapas. So much for the Varna is not hereditary theory. The Arthashastra makes it clear that privileges of being a Brahmin were accrued by birth. The Manusmriti describes the caste of the offspring based on the permutations of the parents cas…

You should read the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute's (BORI) Critical Edition of the Mahabharata - which is the definitive edition, rather than relying on unsubstantiated translations. When Kripacharya asks for Karna's royal lineage (not caste) to let him take part in the competition, this is what Duryodhana says:

Duryodhana said, “O preceptor! It is stated in the sacred texts that there are three ways to become a king—through noblebirth, through valour and through leading an army. If Phalguni is unwilling to fight with someone who is not a king, I install him as king in the land of Anga.”

Right there you have it. Different ways to become a King. None based on caste.

Our history has had several, several, instances where "Kshatriyas" have not been kings. There are umpteen people who are regarded as Gods and among the greatest, who do not belong to the "upper castes." The author of the Ramayana, Valmiki, was a hunter - which is also regarded as a "lower caste." The author of the Mahabharata was the son of a fisherwoman, also regarded as a "lower-caste." Shabari, from whom Rama accepted half-eaten berries was a tribal inhabitant from a hunting clan - also deemed to be "low-caste." All these people have been looked upon as great beings, almost equivalent to Gods, and have been worshiped.

So no, if there have been revisionists, it is the ones who have used distorted british translations, and mutilated our history.

Re: I assure you, medieval people bathed (2019)

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In ancient times, right until the attacks by Islamist marauders and "civilized" Britishers, none of what you have mentioned were an issue. Your statement reeks of colonialist attitudes of seeing natives of other lands as some sort of brutes and degenerates living in destitution in poverty. In India, Every village was in the vicinity of a water source. Every village had a temple, with a large pond. Massaging with oil…

>Food donation was considered the highest ideal, even greater than money

That doesn't sound like the kind of norm that would develop in a society where nobody has to worry about getting enough to eat.

Re: I assure you, medieval people bathed (2019)

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post #287

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Um, no, they don't. They describe a jaati system, and a varna system, both of which do not take the same meaning as caste. The british conflated the two, and invented caste. The jaati system was a system of hereditary professional guilds - so you'd have different jaatis for accountants (Kulkarnis for example), farmers (Vokkaligas), teachers (Upaadhyayas), etc. The professional skill was jealously guarded and generall…

This is interesting. Thank-you. Could you elaborate on the next piece from this idea? For example, from jaati and varna , what follows from that? Admittedly, a vague question but wanting to learn a bit more. Just saying this is the first perspective on HN I have read about caste being inaccurate, and wanting to understand this fresh context.

Sorry for not responding earlier, but it'll take a lot more than a comment to elucidate this in any amount of detail. Plus this needs lots and lots of references from a vast many sources to put together. Will put it together in a post sometime.

Re: I assure you, medieval people bathed (2019)

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> Where does it say in Christianity or Islam that this world is an illusion, Christianity is very obviously all about eternal live in heaven with god. That's the main selling point: Your suffering on earth is not actually the real thing and you do not have to be afraid of death. You do not have to worry. Also something, something, love is good. That is how it gets sold. > that there is one god, that all paths lead to…

(I am not taking sides, just to comment on a minor point here) > > or that the soul inside you is the very same god you pray to ? > Literally in Genesis. And god created men in his own image. An "image of God" is not "God" itself, just as a JPG photo of you is not the "real" you. In Christian traditions the only person who is simultaneously human and "God" is Jesus, and he's the only one so far. The average Christian…

I'm not a theologian, but i think the (suppressed) western tradition equivalent would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_spark
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