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Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by monkeynotes »

bodge5000 wrote: post #312
monkeynotes wrote: post #169

When AI reaches the point where we can talk to a system like DALL.E in real time and work with it to solve a problem, it's game over. Art will become a commodity. Human art and ai art will be indistinguishable, "artists" will become as common as "photographers" since the inception of digital photography and social media. Movie and TV scripts will be iterative with a creative director and AI working together. Animatio…

> "artists" will become as common as "photographers" since the inception of digital photography and social media. Funnily enough, reading this made me less worried for artists. It seems now there are more photographers than ever, possibly because more people care about good photography than previously (despite the fact that modern amateur photography is probably on par with yesterdays professional). Maybe art will go…

I am hoping for the Manna situation. Dude on YouTube was talking to GPT3 and it expressed that humans would love, and AI would reason. I fell into a state of peace and hopefulness with that sentiment. AI does the work because it is good at it, we are free to socialize, enjoy hobbies, basically live like pampered pets. Sure we will be castrated to prevent aggression, housed, fed, and controlled by AI, but if you acquiesce and bow to the superior reasoning we will have a life of peace and happiness. Wow, that got dark quick...

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by marcosdumay »

jfengel wrote: post #125
irrational wrote: post #115

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But, if everyone's jobs are automated, nobody is making any money, so nobody has any money to pay doctors, lawyers, executives, money managers, etc. You would think that if these types were thinking rationally, they would be fighting to expand the middle class so more people can pay for their services.

In the past, eliminating humans from one set of jobs has been balanced by a new set of opportunities for humans in different jobs. Usually, the new jobs are more valuable. That's not utopianism. The new jobs can't always be filled by the people kicked out of jobs. It really sucks to be them. But it does mean that it's not irrational for people to want to automate other people's jobs. The net amount of stuff generated…

Jobs are plentiful as long as wealth is well distributed.

In the past, fast automation has led to badly distributed wealth, and job loss. This situation has lasted until the unemployable people died off (yep, that was part of it), and enough wealth was redistributed through violent means.

Today we know better, and have really no reason to repeat the violent means of our previous revolutions. But it's really looking like the people in power want to repeat them.

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by monkeynotes »

trention wrote: post #295
monkeynotes wrote: post #248

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Eventually art for the people will become art for the individual. Our AI partner (I assume we will all have one) will serve up an entirely curated world. Art will be generated on the spot, just for you. Entertainment, just for you. Imagine having a TV show no one else ever sees because it was synthesized from your likes, experiences, interests, just for you, on demand. This will of course start with AI writing short…

This reads like a religious pamphlet and not an actual argument.

Existential threats tend to drive religious sentiment.

To say this revolution is not going to happen is to say humans have hit a hard technological limit, and I don't see any evidence to support that.

If I was less enthused I might make my opinions more philosophical than religious, but I feel overwhelmed by the possibilities of real world changes. This is no longer a philosophical thought experiment, it's happening. We are careering toward surpassing a Turing test for goodness sake. Uncanny valley apex of animation; go look at what cutting edge AI can do in terms of producing lifelike animated avatars, it's so close you have to double take.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-7jbNPQ0TQ

CGI artists have been trying to get to this level of realism for as long as the industry has existed.

Unlike a religious pamphlet, this god is tangible, it's here, and dismissing it because it sounds too spectacular is putting your head in the sand. AI is so out of this world it is a religious moment for humanity.

Civilization has seen people like you sitting comfortably and scoffing at the very idea of an aeroplane being remotely viable, and yet within 50 years of the first powered flight we had international airports.

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by kache_ »

egypturnash wrote: post #188
kache_ wrote: post #54

image generators are cool, but there's no shortage of them (midjourney & running your own on collab) and dalle2 has nonsensical bans (why does "pepe" go against the content policy?) Open-ai has nonsensical censorship. Dalle might be popular right now, but open-ai won't survive if they keep up their ridiculous attempts at trying to control culture. I've already got something running on collab, new models are coming ou…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog may explain the ban.

lol, pepe did nothing wrong

Just because some asshole uses the peace symbol, does it mean the peace symbol is hateful? Anyone who claims so is dishonest

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by trention »

capableweb wrote: post #337
trention wrote: post #323

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It's absolutely logically consistent to allow humans to do X while forbidding AI to do X.

Ok, but is "logically consistent" the same as "ethical"?

Presumably, if the ethics in question includes not leaving entire classes of skilled workers worldwide to hang like the States left its autoworkers hanging after the 70s - yes.

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by trention »

monkeynotes wrote: post #343
trention wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reads like a religious pamphlet and not an actual argument.

Existential threats tend to drive religious sentiment. To say this revolution is not going to happen is to say humans have hit a hard technological limit, and I don't see any evidence to support that. If I was less enthused I might make my opinions more philosophical than religious, but I feel overwhelmed by the possibilities of real world changes. This is no longer a philosophical thought experiment, it's happening.…

The sad part is you don't even realize how unhinged in a quasi david koresh style you sound. The observation that kurzwelians have substituted AI (as a deux ex machina) for god is still spot on, maybe more than ever.

Singulatarians really are funny until it becomes tragic.

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by flycaliguy »

moffkalast wrote: post #240
joshstrange wrote: post #227

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Yeah, my first thought was "Ok, but you are going to need to involve a graphical artist to actually really make use of that logo". Like you probably want a vector version and you definitely need simplified versions for smaller sizes but then I stopped and realized how amazing this actually is. It "saved" (I know, it cost $30 but that's a steal for something like this) all the time and money you would have paid for it…

Honestly though the hard part is the actual design which is already done here. Learning to vectorize a raster is something that can be done in a weekend with Inkscape, there's no reason to involve an actual graphics designer with this anymore.

I think you might be underestimating how much work goes into the last mile of a design. A lot of refinement work goes into typography in particular, a domain Dall-E isn’t yet proficient in at all.

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by soraki_soladead »

NonNefarious wrote: post #213
soraki_soladead wrote: post #44

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> it won't look good in black & white That sounds like a concern that stopped being relevant for many software companies a decade ago at least. These days app icons and hero images are more important than whether you can fax or print the logo.

Wrong. And it has nothing to do with what kind of company you have. A logo should always degrade to 1-bit (line art) representation gracefully, so it can be used in or on all kinds of media. It could be physical objects, prints on hats, silhouettes on glass... not to mention being recognizable at all sizes. Ignoring this issue is the mark of an amateur.

You don't refute my point. In fact, you strengthen it by providing no evidence why this should be a requirement of modern logos for software companies. You list a bunch of things a logo should be useable for in your mind, otherwise its not a professional logo. However, you don't explain why it must "degrade to 1-bit" for those random things nor why the logos should support things like "silhouettes on glass". I can think of a handful of use cases but hardly a minimum requirement for a good logo for the majority of software companies.

I've run several different types of businesses and even those that required print work never required or even benefited from black and white, or even monochrome as another commenter mentioned. We _always_ had the means and preference for full color: emails, brochures, documents, websites, t-shirts—it didn't matter. There was _never_ a time we needed to degrade the logo so significantly. From talking with others that appears to be extremely common in modern businesses, especially software, since the majority of our presence and revenue stream is online, and not glass silhouettes in our office.

As I said, outside of a fairly narrow range of real world use cases, this comment is outdated: "Ignoring this issue is the mark of an amateur." If you have one of those rare use cases, check that box, but otherwise it shouldn't be the norm or a requirement.

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by monkeynotes »

trention wrote: post #290
monkeynotes wrote: post #236

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> Mostly it will get in the way. This is simply not true. I use GitHub Copilot and it's already made me faster and shows me ideas I would not have thought of myself. And that's just Copilot. When you can talk to an interface and say "I want to update the vote count by one when I click this button" I think you'll change your mind. The AI will know the entire codebase inside out, it will know the intention of all the c…

The fact that you can imagine something will happen doesn't mean it will happen. Who says the AI will "know the intention of all the code, all the data models, know how users use the application intimately"? Are you aware that language models do in fact have token input/output limitations that will not go away? Are you aware that there is such a thing as diminishing returns when it comes to improvements due to increa…

Never said "you are going to be unemployed in 5 years". Never said anything about a job apocalypse. I have no idea what role humans will play.

> Your assertions are full of wild assumptions backed by nothing.

I use Copilot, you admitted it currently saves you 2-3% of time. Well, that's just Copilot, you think Microsoft will just sit on that? My assertions are based on what is happening today and extrapolating an exponential increase in that performance for tomorrow.

Digital cameras definitely revolutionized photography and made it much more accessible to regular folks. Not everyone wants to be a pro photographer though, and the number of wedding shoots available has not changed. People still need to be paid to take photos because no one is going to do that for free. However, we can all take pro level photos with much more ease than when all we had was 110 and 35mm film with a really crappy lens.

There are more "photographers" than ever, the same number of pro photographers seems reasonable given the burden of people's time to money ratio. So the net result is billions more family and friends photos which previously were not taken, the same will go for art. I want to create art, but I have little skill, but given the opportunity to make a comic strip just by talking to an AI will allow me to do so. I imagine some people will do this extremely well as a profession until it's no longer useful.

I don't know, I understand why you are being dismissive and playing down my wide eyes, but I think you are also wrong and remaining uninterested because it's too "religious" to speculate wild things in light of wild real world changes is head in sand territory.

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by NonNefarious »

soraki_soladead wrote: post #348
NonNefarious wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong. And it has nothing to do with what kind of company you have. A logo should always degrade to 1-bit (line art) representation gracefully, so it can be used in or on all kinds of media. It could be physical objects, prints on hats, silhouettes on glass... not to mention being recognizable at all sizes. Ignoring this issue is the mark of an amateur.

You don't refute my point. In fact, you strengthen it by providing no evidence why this should be a requirement of modern logos for software companies. You list a bunch of things a logo should be useable for in your mind, otherwise its not a professional logo. However, you don't explain why it must "degrade to 1-bit" for those random things nor why the logos should support things like "silhouettes on glass". I can th…

Your point has been roundly refuted, with evidence that you yourself cited in your reply. Your limited imagination will limit what you do with logos. Enjoy.
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