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Meta is raising the price of the Quest 2 to 400 USD

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Re: Meta is raising the price of the Quest 2 to 400 USD

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Post by dmix »

skyyler wrote: post #300
PaulsWallet wrote: post #297

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This is such a weirdly aggressive comment. I'm not saying you have to trust Facebook but there are much better ways to shake Oculus users down for money than risk getting caught watching people on the toilet through their VR cameras.

Why are you imagining petty voyeurism? I'm imagining more like "scan the room for products recently purchased at non-amazon retailers" or "identify how many worker-consumers are in the room and how engaged they are with The Product" Data, not video or pictures.

I bought all of those products with credit cards, usually on Amazon. I highly doubt that's useful information for FB to mine (and it would destroy their product line if it came out they were doing that).

I just made a mental list of all of the items in my office room where I use Quest and the face I own a Macbook and some high end speakers/chair/desk/monitor and an iPhone is really not that interesting to anyone.

I'm way more concerned by my mobile phone or browser where I actual engage with personal information.

Re: Meta is raising the price of the Quest 2 to 400 USD

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Post by numpad0 »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #182
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #57

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VR wouldn’t even be a thing anymore without their efforts. PC Tower VR is a dead end where the complexity and hardware costs will never take it the customer base size that justifies developing non-indie content. I don’t think Valve would have even bothered building Index without the Oculus threat.

> VR wouldn’t even be a thing anymore without their efforts. As long as Facebook owns it, it may as well not be a thing to me. Facebook "saving" VR is a utterly pyrrhic victory. If facebook owns it then it wasn't worth saving.

I’m at least happy right now that “vote with wallet” thing worked this time. I’m sure they got the message, and I’m sure that VR industry will resume regular programme.

It’s funny that the collective anti-Facebook sentiment is so strong that we managed to starve Oculus of content and possibly burnt through their budget for loss leader.

Re: Meta is raising the price of the Quest 2 to 400 USD

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Post by dmix »

KronisLV wrote: post #330
dmix wrote: post #183

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You're missing out, Quest 2 was one of the best purchases I've made in the last year. I also don't think VR is good enough to be worth investing $1k+ into a VR headset like Vive. $300 seemed like a very high return on investment for what I got. Not sure about $400 since I already have one but I'd probably still do it. I also made a fake, empty Facebook account to use the Oculus store, so I don't feel like it's a priv…

How are the options for connecting a Quest 2 to a desktop PC? Can you use it as a virtual desktop, like Arcan Safespaces: https://arcan-fe.com/2018/03/29/safespaces-an-open-source-vr... What about writing code in VR with unlimited virtual monitors/windows?

Yes you can use a Virtual desktop and connect via usb-c.

I purchased a streaming VR service and played games on Steam not available on Oculus store using my Quest 2. Greatly expanding the number of games you can play.

Re: Meta is raising the price of the Quest 2 to 400 USD

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Post by dmix »

hasbot wrote: post #295
dmix wrote: post #183

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You're missing out, Quest 2 was one of the best purchases I've made in the last year. I also don't think VR is good enough to be worth investing $1k+ into a VR headset like Vive. $300 seemed like a very high return on investment for what I got. Not sure about $400 since I already have one but I'd probably still do it. I also made a fake, empty Facebook account to use the Oculus store, so I don't feel like it's a priv…

I bought a Quest 2 last winter, used it a lot for the first two weeks, and then it sat unused for nearly a month. Thanks to Amazon's lengthy return policy during Christmas I got a full refund. Like with 3D in movies, I didn't find 3D in games compelling. I really expected to like Beat Saber but the music didn't appeal to me and so many of the custom songs were just so poorly done.

Never cared for Beat Saber. I love the boxing/exercise games. But most of all I like Resident Evil 4 and similar games.

The best ROI is bringing it to my sisters house to play with my nephew/niece. They always have a blast.

Re: Meta is raising the price of the Quest 2 to 400 USD

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Post by intrasight »

criddell wrote: post #166
intrasight wrote: post #46

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It's early days. The same was true of the web in the early days.

The first VR headset I tried was over 30 years ago (I played Dactyl Nightmare). It was just before the release of NCSA Mosaic.

The first "smartphone" I tried was over 30 years ago (Apple Newton)

Re: Meta is raising the price of the Quest 2 to 400 USD

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Post by johannes1234321 »

dmix wrote: post #340
johannes1234321 wrote: post #264

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That developers not having access is likely. Still there certainly is different data analytics running over it to identify what works and what ads to sell where. Also there mere fact that the data exists can lead to some (ab)use sometime in future. Even if I were to trust Mark Zuckerberg (which I don't, but for arguemnt's sake) this won't give me trust in a successor.

What data are you talking about that's being released from someone who never uses Facebook besides playing Quest 2 once in a while? My location and game preferences? A video/audio of my empty room while I play a game by myself?

Location gives information on financial information.

The information on when you are playing gives information on your job situation.

The kinds of games give insight into personality.

And so on, if you combine with data from other sources (what else happens on the IP address around the same time?) you can get quite a lot.

Re: Meta is raising the price of the Quest 2 to 400 USD

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Post by corrral »

emadabdulrahim wrote: post #8

I feel like an old grumpy man saying this, but I hate the idea of wearing a device on my face to literally hijack one of the precious senses one has. I'm sure over time I'll look back and laugh at myself for thinking that way.

Every time I start to think, "hm, maybe I'll get one of the cheaper VR sets, even if the games suck it's probably pretty awesome for porn" I recall the guy with the VR headset in the music video for Do the Evolution (Pearl Jam) and then don't.

I'm already grossed-out enough when I happen to catch a glimpse of myself using a normal computer (faces of people immersed in a computer screen look a bit disturbing, kinda slack and dead, and it's much worse when the face is your own)

I'm with you, it's too weird for now. I'll probably give in when they've got AR/VR combo glasses that you can toggle from one to the other, which I assume is the endgame for all this. By then I'll probably need it to talk to my grandkids or whatever anyway. The march of "progress".

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Post by antifa »

jedberg wrote: post #254
kranke155 wrote: post #87

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VR will never become mainstream. I’ve been working in VR since 2015 and I don’t use it daily. I don’t know a single person who uses it daily. Maybe if you’re mildly autistic or remarkably introspective it works for you. For most people it’s a fundamentally alienating experience, like taking LSD but with none of the joy. VR is fundamentally an industrial technology, good for training and other purposes. For entertainm…

> I don’t know a single person who uses it daily. I know a bunch of people who use it daily. They are all using Immersed[0] for work (disclosure, I'm an investor, but I invested because of the love their early customers had for the platform). Basically, you get a bunch of virtual monitors in VR. It's way cheaper and much more portable than dragging five massive screens around, and the isolation is the point -- you ca…

Looks like this could be interesting for me if hardware quality/pricing improves over the next decade.

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Post by kranke155 »

andybak wrote: post #114
kranke155 wrote: post #100

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I agree. The only true sustained usage I’ve seen it is industrial training which is why I mentioned it. But yes there are other uses for it. It’s mind boggling to me why or how Zuckerberg decided to invest so much on it. I wonder if it’s just a screen for the stock price not to collapse as he loses DAUs, and certainly young people, to TikTok and other apps. Because otherwise it doesn’t make a lick of sense to me.

I'm torn between "thanks for investing billions in a medium I love" vs "I hope the whole field doesn't get dragged when disillusionment sets in among Meta stock holders"

The secret is - there is no field.

Meta wouldn’t have to spend billions jump starting something if it was a commercial success. No commercial success in history needed tens of billions for commercial success. It either sells or it doesn’t.

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