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Re: Ask HN: I love programming but hate the industry. Can anyone relate?

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po1nt wrote: post #110
badpun wrote: post #2

I think most people here can. That's why, when people have enough money to retire, they DO retire, and not continue working. Work for most people is trading time and physical and mental health for money. In our profession, we got it better than most, but the underlying principle is still the same. Also, there are definitely better and worse companies. I'm currently in the best job of my life (well paying, fully remot…

I disagree about having it the best healthwise. My back is killing me and I burned out multiple times from stress. I'm not comparing myself to a fireman or something like this, but I would change my job for something more outdoorsy anytime if it paid the same.

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Re: Ask HN: I love programming but hate the industry. Can anyone relate?

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Post by mxuribe »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #340
mxuribe wrote: post #299

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> ...our managers are competent though... So....um, it sounds like you work at almost-a-unicorn! ;-) Seriously, good for you!

Yep, I wonder how it ended up like that. Is it an economically sound plan to run a company with incompetent people?

Economically sound? No, certainly not. But, does it happen all the time? Sadly, yes.

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Post by _hcuq »

sgarland wrote: post #277
JKCalhoun wrote: post #120

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Yes, this was however not the case when I started in the mid-90's — the inmates ran the asylum and we liked it that way. Throughout my career, as tech became big(ger) business, I watched as management, marketing, and design, took away our keys. Scrum, as an example, and all that followed seemed to be a way for upper management to rein in engineering, give management "numbers" that they could show their bosses, etc.

> Scrum, as an example, and all that followed seemed to be a way for upper management to rein in engineering, give management "numbers" that they could show their bosses, etc. Scrum is my least favorite part of my job, by far. I feel like I'm being treated as a child who can't accurately estimate project time, difficulty, or dependencies.

Yes, I can’t believe adults allow themselves to be treated this way.

Re: Ask HN: I love programming but hate the industry. Can anyone relate?

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Post by xorcist »

Footkerchief wrote: post #184
alexpotato wrote: post #145

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Every time I hear about no code, I think about the code written by PROFESSIONALS that leads to list like Dan Luu's "Everything is broken": https://danluu.com/everything-is-broken/ If professional at top quality firms with the best tools can't write code that works, how is "no code" written by people that don't understand going to work better?

No-code is more likely to be written by people who are direct experts in the business domain, unlike the telephone game that is the development cycle in most software orgs.

This never happens. It just gets written by different professionals. Best case, they are cheaper.

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Post by dschiavu »

Blackstrat wrote: post #304

As a survivor of more than 10 mergers/acquisitions at various stages of my career, I definitely think the industry is self-destructing. The embracing of the trend of the week, e.g., microservices, the Cloud, off shoring, outsourcing, insourcing, onshoring, PMP org structures, Agile org structures, open floor plans, remote work, etc., often with little planning or analysis has sapped a lot of the energy and appeal fro…

Agree, well summarized. I believe this is all due to the phenomenon of "bullshit jobs" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit_Jobs) which has taken a lot of traction since the off-shoring of most of the real jobs to China from the early 90's.

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Post by CoaCoaBin »

Honestly, I became a product owner because as a developer, I hated scrum. And it’s everywhere. Industrialised standard of micromanaging. And yea, I know, that’s not what scrum is meant to be. But communism wasn’t meant to be a dictatorship and almost always is. So, if something almost always fails or isn’t able to be implemented, then it’s not useful.

If I found a company not doing scrum, I’d go back, but otherwise, I’m done as a paid developer.

Re: Ask HN: I love programming but hate the industry. Can anyone relate?

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Post by CoaCoaBin »

I left paid development for any role other than developer.

Industrialised standardised scrum/ micro management sucks. Multiple jobs, same experience.

If something can’t be implemented properly, then as much as you might say it’s not scrim, well, communism isn’t dictatorships, but it always happens that way. So, there’s a blurry line that isn’t established or doesn’t work in most places so it’s not useful.

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