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Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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This has been said about the EU, but the market has proven to just be too big to ignore. It could also be the reverse (see authoritarian countries), with international players leaving the market and local ones filling the space.

I don't see how these multinational companies like Apple, etc don't end up with their own armies again like age old.

Like Pepsi?

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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This has been said about the EU, but the market has proven to just be too big to ignore. It could also be the reverse (see authoritarian countries), with international players leaving the market and local ones filling the space.

Very few websites comply with GDPR. Based on recent interpretations, it's essentially impossible for any US-owned or US-hosted site to comply with GDPR. The EU is just being extremely selective about its enforcement. If they ever decided to follow the law to the letter, most of the Internet would have to disconnect the EU. Theoretically the EU could make clones of all international sites like China has with Baidu and…

> Theoretically the EU could make clones of all international sites like China has with Baidu and Weibo, but it's hard to see how that would be good for them.

We would have real privacy protection, and presumably in the very long term we'd see the benefits of that (more creative new ideas coming out of the EU, wealthy people preferring to live in the EU...).

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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The US does not extradite for crimes committed in the US to other countries at least I'm not aware of any cases.

No, there is not a precedent for that AFAIK. But the US does extradite, as we don't have "rights guaranteed to us in the United States that no other country has".

I appreciate the candor. On my initial reading, I didn't get the scope of what you were saying; I agree.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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I don't think you've really experienced online abuse. If you get in an argument with someone and they start saying nasty things, then it's simple to disengage. You just stop replying and you don't go back to the thread. In this scenario, your comment makes sense, but you should count yourself very lucky if this is the worst you've experienced. Personally, I pissed off a cult leader and she sent her followers to haras…

I have, and he's right also, learn not to overexpose yourself with your real id online, also from 1990s internet 101 the idiotic model of the 2020s with everybody posting their entire private lives with their real names and profiles that have their mugs in circles, and then proceed to broadcast hot takes they're afraid to get feedback on - it doesn't work and it's stupid

I'm not convinced the "solution" to abuse is to remain completely anonymous online.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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The EU might also see the UK as an inspiration!

I do not think the European perception of the UK could accurately be described as "inspirational" at the moment.

The UK not. But if anything can be done against Google, Meta, Apple all ideas are welcome for the EU. Those don't pay enough taxes in the EU in relationship to the megaprofits they make and have no respect for the legal framework the EU stands for.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Our system for our kids was no smart phone until ~14 and not taking it to bed until senior year. With all computers, each person has their own, in a shared family office. That and answering questions and talking to our kids about the internet, the good and the bad. No filters or other bullshit. So far (oldest is about to head to university) so good.

I plan to take it further. No smart phones at all until 18, and only a dumb phone (calls, texts, etc) whenever they start high school, or possibly a bit earlier if they're on public transport by themself. I see absolutely no reason for somebody till in school to need a smart phone.

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Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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If UK government really cared about children, and not about surveillance and censorship, they would solve the problem another way. The only way protect children online is to ban them from Internet. Children should not have access to normal laptops and smartphones, instead they should use "kid phones". Such phones would allow children to communicate only with people approved by parents or teachers and visit only appro…

I mean, when I was like 12 my friends and I got on BBS's and started to see naked pictures of beautiful women for the first time around 1991-ish. I mean at that point my computer was even more "adult" than my parent's usage of computers.

And yeah on AOL there were people that "lived near by and could hang out some time" but I already knew what a creep was... so.. why are kids these days so stupid? Is it because we treat them so?

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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If UK government really cared about children, and not about surveillance and censorship, they would solve the problem another way. The only way protect children online is to ban them from Internet. Children should not have access to normal laptops and smartphones, instead they should use "kid phones". Such phones would allow children to communicate only with people approved by parents or teachers and visit only appro…

The problem I see with this is you are disadvantaged from your peers if you're the only kid without access to the internet. You can't just shield your specific kid from the world and then they go to school and their friends all show them tiktok/4chan/porn/gore/whatever.

We've crossed this line already, the internet is out there and everyone can access everything. Instead of being regressive and focusing on futile efforts like banning children from the internet (hint: never going to work), we need to embrace the new age we live in and adapt. I don't claim to know the answer, it is a difficult question on how to properly raise children in the globally interconnected world we live in, but I don't think simply closing our eyes and pretending the internet doesn't exist will solve anything.

I was born in the 90s, had access to dialup internet from since I was 5 years old, have seen all the horrors the internet has to offer and still turned out fine. I'm sure there is a way without censorship.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Can someone explain why this won't result in a renaissance for peer to peer and e2e encrypted chat/forums/social media etc.? When government or industry makes it nearly impossible for consumer needs to be met we inevitably see a grey and black market spring up to meet those needs. My prediction is that if legislation like this becomes widespread we'll see a freely distributed application rise to prominence among a ga…

It will probably just lead to a rise in VPNs to access services that block British users.

Congratulations Britain, you are now the Peoples Republic of China.
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