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Re: Watching an acquirer ruin your company

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Unionization can be hijacked by employers, history knows of such occurrences. Plus Amazon and Google have been caught up (in the recent times nonetheless) of hiring paid saboteurs to impede people from unionizing. My job is not to do underground mafia wars. If the employers want to fight dirty I'll just move to someplace else. Eventually they'll be stuck with the people who are OK with being slaves -- but won't be cr…

Inquiry: does this apply to other well-paying unions, such as the actors guild and professional sport players? I’m genuinely asking, because as far as I know they are still in existence and regularly ensure better working conditions for their membership without limiting their mobility.

I am not saying effective unions don't exist.

I am saying that when enough money are in danger [of having to be spent by big companies] that unionization gets under attack with very questionable and shady techniques.

I wasn't aware that I have to remind HN of the recent articles, published right on this forum, of evidence that Amazon sabotaged unionization efforts by hiring people who deliberately derail discourse and pump outrage. But alas, apparently people believe only what they want to believe.

Re: Watching an acquirer ruin your company

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It seems clear he means in Europe from his preceding sentence, where I think it is absurd ( including in France).

With “is absurd”, do you mean that the statement isn’t true, or that you think that pilot’s should not be earning more than software engineers?

It’s not true.

Re: Watching an acquirer ruin your company

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And still too busy smelling our own farts to unionize.

Well, question is which part of the world you live in, of course. But I don't need to unionize. If I am not satisfied in my job I can switch. Each consecutive job hop past 15 years got me better pay, better benefits and sometimes a better job (sometimes it was equaly shitty as the prevous one but for better money). This does not happen for unionized workers. Maybe in the future we will have to unionize. Definitely no…

>Each consecutive job hop past 15 years got me better pay, better benefits and sometimes a better job (sometimes it was equaly shitty as the prevous one but for better money). This does not happen for unionized workers.

As a counter-example to this specific point, the Screen Actors Guild does a tremendous amount of work to raise the pay and conditions of the median earning actors, without preventing the highest performing members from negotiating compensation in line with their ability to contribute to the success of a project. We can have our cake (collective negotiation) and eat it too (million dollar+/yr IC roles).

Other notable examples; State bar associations (lawyers) and the American Medical Association (doctors).

Re: Watching an acquirer ruin your company

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Well, question is which part of the world you live in, of course. But I don't need to unionize. If I am not satisfied in my job I can switch. Each consecutive job hop past 15 years got me better pay, better benefits and sometimes a better job (sometimes it was equaly shitty as the prevous one but for better money). This does not happen for unionized workers. Maybe in the future we will have to unionize. Definitely no…

>Each consecutive job hop past 15 years got me better pay, better benefits and sometimes a better job (sometimes it was equaly shitty as the prevous one but for better money). This does not happen for unionized workers. As a counter-example to this specific point, the Screen Actors Guild does a tremendous amount of work to raise the pay and conditions of the median earning actors, without preventing the highest perfo…

All the Hollywood & TV & Stage unions do that.

Also professional sports unions.

The Bar Associations and the AMA are not quite unions though they certainly advocate and lobby strongly on behalf of their professions.

For the Bar there may be confusion because of the names of licensing agencies. In California, the state agency is the State Bar of California, but that has nothing to do with various bar associations.

Re: Watching an acquirer ruin your company

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Please tell me more? I've a bit been wondering if a non profit could be better than a Limited Liability Company for some future projects And I work 60h/week already, cannot join two coops to learn more :-( I suppose one problem could be that they'd try to make decisions via consensus or votes -- but there might be one person who is brighter and/or knows more than the others, and leaving most decisions to that one can…

I have little direct experience, but what I do have all points towards failures of consensus. Look at the most recent company you worked for, and from your colleagues think of: one idiot engineer, one idiot manager, and one idiot admin. Now imagine that they each feel they have equal rights as anyone to share their “input” into that business, and imagine trying to find consensus with you. Now multiply that problem by…

I'm leaning towards an LLC (and not a non profit), even more now.

The engineer, admin and manager example sounds frustrating!

I can run a company (it seems) but a co-op, then I'm afraid one would need much greater charisma and persuasion skills, and also enjoy that?

Otherwise the co-op would be unstable? With equal voting power, then any member with bad ideas and persuasion skills would be an existential threat? But in a company, s/he could just be fired? (Or contract not renewed)

Re: Watching an acquirer ruin your company

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Please tell me more? I've a bit been wondering if a non profit could be better than a Limited Liability Company for some future projects And I work 60h/week already, cannot join two coops to learn more :-( I suppose one problem could be that they'd try to make decisions via consensus or votes -- but there might be one person who is brighter and/or knows more than the others, and leaving most decisions to that one can…

I have little direct experience, but what I do have all points towards failures of consensus. Look at the most recent company you worked for, and from your colleagues think of: one idiot engineer, one idiot manager, and one idiot admin. Now imagine that they each feel they have equal rights as anyone to share their “input” into that business, and imagine trying to find consensus with you. Now multiply that problem by…

> successful co-ops

For example, Ghost? Does Mozilla count? (A non profit)

Re: Watching an acquirer ruin your company

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If you keep looking for the same job as you get older, yes. I'm well above your age guess and starting a new job soon, but it's definitely not the same role or expectations as 20 years ago. I've found that if you work to differentiate yourself as an individual the substitution cost is very high, so you can find work even in the most challenging environments. I think this would be a much harder strategy in a heavily u…

Something to consider is pension lock. Your pension is tied to a specific employer, and leaving means losing everything. I hear this all the time from school teachers, but it also happened to my mom: Budget cuts were coming and while she had enough seniority to stay employed, she didn’t have enough juice for choice of location. She was going to have to accept a job that required an additional hour of commute that she…

Thankfully we don't tend to get those scam pension traps in tech, instead we get 401k's which are your own money.
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