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Post by karmakurtisaani »

silisili wrote: post #274
anon9001 wrote: post #130

This is the n'th tech company today that's made an announcement similar to this. Even Disney is going to transport workers to abortion-legal states as needed as "health benefit". It's certainly a perk and good on Google for this one, but we're headed to a dark place if your best shot at human rights is to retain employment by a big tech company.

One side of me applauds companies who truly do things they believe are right. The jaded side of me wonders if some amount of companies figured it'd be cheaper to pay for an abortion than maternity leave and health insurance.

That might be overly jaded. I think an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy is a loss for everyone involved, so it's a bit of a no-brainer for companies to offer this relocation.

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Post by dillondoyle »

nikolqy wrote: post #336
dillondoyle wrote: post #328

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Can't wait to spend my ad dollars on Parler! /ffs

Facebook is not a real business. it’s just manipulated money. That’s why their stock fell by 50% in like 24 hours. Parler is a social media app. Truth is a social media app. Not a leftist organization that makes money by data harvesting and letting companies incite violence by letting them pay to promote shit. You’re comparing apples to broccoli. People want genuine places of discussions, not advertising companies.

I can't believe I'm responding to this.

A company with almost 60k employees, printing billions in cash profit a quarter, isn't real?!

Somehow they tricked giant corporations and tons of small ad buyers into spending their money?

They took a hit because of no/negative in some metric user growth.

more important in my mind is Apple's changes makes what used to be best value possible direct response advertising less or even not profitable. I've moved ad spend out because of this and longer term it's the bigger issue imho.

And yes, I can track that it is in fact real money from real people in a greater amount than I spent on the ads.

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Post by thebradbain »

koolba wrote: post #43
thebradbain wrote: post #21

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> 24 weeks of maternity leave from Google You know these 24 weeks aren't a vacation, right? They're about 100x more demanding then the average tech job, and on-call 24/7. Not to mention that after the 24 weeks are up, you still have another unpaid (in fact, you are paying!) full time job of raising a child for at least another 17.5 years. That is a tall task for someone hoping to climb in their career, even if they w…

> You know these 24 weeks aren't a vacation, right? I never claimed it was. It’s a time to bond with your child and get acclimated to new responsibilities. That Google offers 24 weeks of maternity leave is something should be lauded, not vilified. > They're about 100x more demanding then the average tech job, and on-call 24/7. Not to mention that after the 24 weeks are up, you still have another unpaid (in fact, you…

> Claiming … you’ll be tired taking care of the ones you literally love more than anything in existence

Do you know the number of kids in foster care? Being a parent does not automatically mean you love your child, nor does it mean the kid has the attention and resources a child needs and deserves.

> And ease and normalization of abortion

Yeah, it should be easy and normalized. This isn’t even a situation like alcohol/prohibition that has pros and cons we must legislate against to find the right balance. The right to a safe abortion is fully positive. Why restrict a good thing?

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Post by mattalex »

silisili wrote: post #274
anon9001 wrote: post #130

This is the n'th tech company today that's made an announcement similar to this. Even Disney is going to transport workers to abortion-legal states as needed as "health benefit". It's certainly a perk and good on Google for this one, but we're headed to a dark place if your best shot at human rights is to retain employment by a big tech company.

One side of me applauds companies who truly do things they believe are right. The jaded side of me wonders if some amount of companies figured it'd be cheaper to pay for an abortion than maternity leave and health insurance.

I think that's a little too jaded. Much more likely they do this now for brownie points and quietly kill the program as soon as nobody's looking.

You also have to keep in mind that the cost of onboarding a new developer is orders of magnitude more expensive than allowing a developer to relocate out of state or pay for a temporary trip there.

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Post by xiphias2 »

humanrebar wrote: post #221
stickyricky wrote: post #158

Google should let their employees work wherever they want. Why constrain people. Just go remote.

Unpopular opinion here, but I'm pro-life and am considering moving to full remote to get out of states that allow unrestricted late term abortions. In my view, systemic killing of unborn people [1] is up there with slavery and Jim Crow in the worst parts of American history and culture. I have Quaker culture in my family going way back. It'd be nice to be able to vote with my feet on some of these things. If course,…

In principle I would feel the same as you, but if one looks at the science of the development of human fetus versus what we, the humanity do with animals with completely developed nervous systems, I believe that what we're doing to animals for meat production is uncomparably worse.

At the same time easy abortion makes hookup culture more prevalent which can lead to other problems with societies.

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Post by spacemanmatt »

unmole wrote: post #197
SantalBlush wrote: post #146

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I also act in rational self interest, so I guess that makes all of my positions apolitical. With that being said, abortion should be legal at the federal level. By your logic, this isn't a political statement.

Most people also support political positions that are orthogonal to or even against their self interest. That is what makes them different from corporations. Literally nobody will benefit from a ban on abortions. That doesn't stop people from taking such a position.

> Literally nobody will benefit from a ban on abortions

The political class benefits from constituencies terrorized by leaders who criminalize health care

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Post by spacemanmatt »

roflyear wrote: post #112
kjfdpoisfjkds wrote: post #50

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Will they dial down investment in nations with far worse human rights or is this just virtue signaling?

Do you also think guys with flags and shit on their big trucks are virtue signalling?

There's a famous virtue-signaller in my area who drives to work every day (construction) with trump flags on his truck, and he pickets an intersection near my house with a "trump won" sign most weekends.

The far-right has themselves a major virtue-signalling epidemic they aren't admitting.

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Post by imgabe »

diob wrote: post #338
imgabe wrote: post #321

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I never said to wait and see about anything. I am saying to do something about this step that is actually happening. Not about some hypothetical step that may or may not happen in the future. As for being hysterical, it's never ok. It accomplishes nothing. Goalposts stable enough, for you?

Literally talking to you and trying to get you convinced that things are at stake is doing something. I'm also active in my local community trying to change things. Why can't I do both? It's not one or the other. That's another problem y'all folks have beyond goalposts, you think we can't both talk and do. We have to raise awareness, and do. Especially with how stacked the legislative is in our country to favor minor…

I'm not a person you need to convince. I'm already on your side that abortion should be safe and legal. The way to do that is to enact laws that guarantee the right to abortion.

People on the right are not a monolith. There may be a handful of lunatics who are raving about IVF or contraception, but that is not most of them. The pro-life people I've talked to online and in real life think abortion is just about irresponsible people who like to party and can't be bothered to worry about birth control. Ranting and raving at them about contraception and IVF is not going to convince them of anything as they have absolutely no opposition to either of those things.

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Post by spacemanmatt »

imgabe wrote: post #85
jleyank wrote: post #69

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Every state that defines life begins at conception rather than heartbeat or viability. The supremes already mentioned contraception and ivf willingly discards embryos that are not needed.

The supreme court doesn't write laws, they only interpret them. Laws are very specifically written and often include enumerated exceptions and specific scenarios. They don't just say "Life begins at conception and that's that".

> The supreme court doesn't write laws, they only interpret them.

That is a technical fiction. The Supreme Court rewrites laws all the time. They are the line-item veto a President is not allowed to have.

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